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Old 08-04-2019, 10:43 PM
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Correct, the slabbed Rose is NOT a Venezuelan.

On a semi-related note, WTF happened to this thread??
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Correct, the slabbed Rose is NOT a Venezuelan.

On a semi-related note, WTF happened to this thread??
Thanks for the input on the Rose card, I sent the seller a message letting him/her know that PSA screwed up the label.

Regarding the bolded, I started collecting Venezuelans this year, and have thought about contributing to this thread. I have a bunch currently out with PSA, but will try to post pics soon of the cards I have in my possession.
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:18 AM
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I bought a 1959 Topps Venezuelan on eBay from Gilberto of venezuelancards recently but was given a refund without explanation. I contacted him and he told me that Fed Ex is not picking up packages in Venezuela because of the current political climate there .
That also happened to me around the end of May.

You can still have items mailed DHL, but the cost is considerably more (about twice as much(?) )
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:10 AM
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Thanks for the input on the Rose card, I sent the seller a message letting him/her know that PSA screwed up the label.

Regarding the bolded, I started collecting Venezuelans this year, and have thought about contributing to this thread. I have a bunch currently out with PSA, but will try to post pics soon of the cards I have in my possession.
So the seller replied with "Who am I to doubt PSA?". Not surprising. Is there anything else I can do.....report it to Ebay?
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:31 AM
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So the seller replied with "Who am I to doubt PSA?". Not surprising. Is there anything else I can do.....report it to Ebay?
Nope. If you owned the card, you could send it to PSA and they’d fix it for free. But since you don’t, your hands are tied.

My “WTF happened” comment was about the political talk. Please DO share as many pics of Venezuelan cards as you’d like!
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Old 08-07-2019, 12:20 PM
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At the National, I was able to see a 1968 Venezuelan album for the first time ever, and it was partially filled with NM looking cards which had been glued in.

What was most interesting about the album was the distribution of the cards between the 4 series. 1st series cards 1-109 are the most plentiful, while 2nd series 110-198 aren't far behind (this album was about 65-75% completed in series 1-2)... but by the 3rd series, it became obvious there were significantly fewer cards (3rd series completion 25-30%), and by the 4th series, they were nearly extinct (4th series completion 15-20%). It made me wonder whether the 3rd and 4th series cards were so rare that packs could barely even be found to buy, which I think is indeed the case as opposed to lack of interest... I just don't think Venezuelan baseball card collectors just stopped collecting as a group when the 3rd series hit, I just don't think they printed nearly as many. This correlation is true within my own collection as well, there is no doubt in my mind the 3rd and 4th series cards had a more-limited production and probably not nearly enough were produced to meet demand.

The Ryan rookie card is still very rare relative to other non-Venezuelan cards, but Maris (330), Banks (355) and the All-Star cards of Aaron, Yaz, Morgan, Carew & B. Robinson are extremely rare.

Also of note, John Rumierez, who traveled and lived in Venezuela during the 1980's and was a big collector of these cards, is under the impression that card 152, World Series with Yaz, was never produced with the correct back, it can only be found with the checklist on the back. I also agree with this, but would love to be proven wrong. In the album, the Marichal checklist, which has the 152 back, has been glued into album spot 152, while the Yaz WS card with the checklist back was glued into spot 107, which is the number of the checklist.

What's also interesting is the ad on the back cover of the album... the product is Corona brand orange-flavored chewing gum. Corona looks to be both a candy manufacturer and a candy shop which presumably sold packs of the cards. It's distinctly possible they were responsible for the printing and distribution of the albums. This album has a similar look to it as the 64, 66 and 67 albums.
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Old 08-07-2019, 06:29 PM
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Awesome post Josh. Really interesting to hear your thoughts on the distribution/availability of the different series from 1968. Cool pics too, I've never seen a Venezuelan album in person, hope I get a chance to at some point.
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Default 2 Mislabeled 1960 Venezuela Topps Mantle's hit eBay

These cards are clearly US issues. Gross incompetence by PSA. Venezuela Topps version has no front gloss, different color beige on front, muted ink colors on back and a distinct sandstone texture on back. They cannot be mistaken with the US card. Screws the pop report good too.

Contacted seller, eBay ID: cg0184, we'll see if they do the right thing, pull it and send back to PSA for correction.

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Old 08-11-2019, 04:38 PM
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Yeesh, that's four mislabeled cards in the past two months ('62 HR Leaders, '64 Pete Rose, and the two '60 Mantle/Boyer).

I haven't been collecting Venezuelas that long....How often do you all see mislabeled cards pop up? I.e. PSA/SGC/BGS slabs of US cards labeled as Venezuelan.
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Old 08-11-2019, 10:11 PM
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Yeesh, that's four mislabeled cards in the past two months ('62 HR Leaders, '64 Pete Rose, and the two '60 Mantle/Boyer).

I haven't been collecting Venezuelas that long....How often do you all see mislabeled cards pop up? I.e. PSA/SGC/BGS slabs of US cards labeled as Venezuelan.
That's nothing compared to PSA graded 1972 Venezuelans, the vast majority of them are the counterfeits from the early 2000's. The PSA Mazeroski is counterfeit and the ungraded Mazeroski is legit. These two aren't easy to see the differences in the font, the biggest difference is the R in PIRATAS. The photo is clearer in the legit Mazeroski and the green is always lighter on the legit 72's.
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Here is a much better example, compare the font in the name on the counterfeit Killebrew in the PSA case to the font in the name on the ungraded legit Killebrew, and also compare the 7's in 171.
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Here is a much better example, compare the font in the name on the counterfeit Killebrew in the PSA case to the font in the name on the ungraded legit Killebrew, and also compare the 7's in 171.
We should be thankful that the counterfeiters almost never get it right.
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:54 PM
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I started collecting Venezuelans this year, here are some of my favorite/best cards that I have in hand (have a bunch out with PSA as well).

























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Very nice. Are you collecting sets or players ?
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Very nice. Are you collecting sets or players ?
Just collecting hall of famers and all stars at the moment. Trying to collect some from each set. At some point I'll probably narrow my focus, but for now just buying what I like. Having lots of fun collecting Venezuelans though, I love everything about them.....the condition issues, the history and mystery surrounding them, etc. The Koufax Retirado is currently #1 on my want list.
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Great collection!
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Great cards! Love the Rival All Stars & Boyer.

I got hooked on these a few years ago and can’t stop.


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I received some 68’s today and one of them has a really orange back compared to the normal brown/orange back. It’s also very glossy on the back but the front looks normal. Anyone else seen these none of the other cards in my set have this back.
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New pick ups. Photo worked?
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I was collecting the 67 VWL subset for a while but ultimately gave up. I love the backgrounds on them, which are very unusual in many cases.

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I received some 68’s today and one of them has a really orange back compared to the normal brown/orange back. It’s also very glossy on the back but the front looks normal. Anyone else seen these none of the other cards in my set have this back.
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For some reason it’s not letting me add picture just says error sorry
Hi Rick, I had the same experience with my Tony Conigliaro. Much lighter orange back than everything else in my set, but it does have the Venezuelan copyright. Sorry, I can’t post a pic either.
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