Bid Retractions

[Edwolf1963]

Nothing suspicious here - 26 bid retractions within 6 months and total feedback of less than 100. His bid retraction rate is over 30% of his feedback score?!

How does this happen? Do any of you have more than 1 bid retraction .. if that?? I can understand 100% bid activity with one seller if they are a favorite, done business before, they have what you're looking for on straight auction (vs. everyone else at museum pricing BIN), etc. - but can't wrap my head around this crap.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d..._None_ViewLink

[Leon]

The next highest bidder has 8 retractions. Legitimate ebayers don't have 8 bid retractions let alone 26. I guess they can't figure out how to bid?

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

Nothing suspicious here - 26 bid retractions within 6 months and total feedback of less than 100. His bid retraction rate is over 30% of his feedback score?!

How does this happen? Do any of you have more than 1 bid retraction .. if that?? I can understand 100% bid activity with one seller if they are a favorite, done business before, they have what you're looking for on straight auction (vs. everyone else at museum pricing BIN), etc. - but can't wrap my head around this crap.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d..._None_ViewLink

[irv]

Originally Posted by Leon

The next highest bidder has 8 retractions. Legitimate ebayers don't have 8 bid retractions let alone 26. I guess they can't figure out how to bid?

According to their rules, and if they adhere to them, the bidder with 26 bid retractions should now be banned or stopped from bidding further, shouldn't he?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by irv

According to their rules, and if they adhere to them, the bidder with 26 bid retractions should now be banned or stopped from bidding further, shouldn't he?

I just emailed Brent about it but I didn't email their special email for these. Yes., this bidder should be ousted and banned. And if it were me so would the second bidder with 8 retractions...

[irv]

Originally Posted by Leon

I just emailed Brent about it but I didn't email their special email for these. Yes., this bidder should be ousted and banned. And if it were me so would the second bidder with 8 retractions...

Good! I guess we'll now see if the rule is active and adhered too?

Thanks Leon.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

Good! I guess we'll now see if the rule is active and adhered too?

Thanks Leon.

If it is adhered to it will only be for this one bidder and because Leon emailed them and posted he did on this forum.

Otherwise it will be business as usual.

[Mikehealer]

I thought he was going to block these bidders?

[ullmandds]

you guys and your fake news!

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

How does this happen? Do any of you have more than 1 bid retraction .. if that??

Been wanting to answer this one and saw an opportunity with Ed's question.

Yes, I am one of them. I have no bid retractions in the last 30 days but have 10 in the last 6 months. I did receive a warning from PWCC but shrugged it off since I hadn't retracted any bids with PWCC. I understand the warning and have been better.

2 reasons I have retracted bids:
1. Bid on 4 or 5 cards that I found out were reprints after bidding (very good fakes I might add)....this was after contacting seller
2. Simply wrote in the wrong amount such as $245 instead of $24.50

I get the concerns on bid retractions especially when they are associated to a single seller, but you have to have a little more basis for banning a buyer.

I currently bid on most t206 auctions that have low starting prices. I bid on virtually all of Brent's non-HOF listings which ended on Sunday, for example. I won 3 total auctions and was very happy about it.

Unfortunately bidding through your phone doesn't do a confirmation before placing the bid. Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

There's more to it than a bid retraction.

[Leon]

Nothing personal but if i sold on ebay I would probably block you. I call it too many issues for me to deal with.

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Been wanting to answer this one and saw an opportunity with Ed's question.

Yes, I am one of them. I have no bid retractions in the last 30 days but have 10 in the last 6 months. I did receive a warning from PWCC but shrugged it off since I hadn't retracted any bids with PWCC. I understand the warning and have been better.

2 reasons I have retracted bids:
1. Bid on 4 or 5 cards that I found out were reprints after bidding (very good fakes I might add)....this was after contacting seller
2. Simply wrote in the wrong amount such as $245 instead of $24.50

I get the concerns on bid retractions especially when they are associated to a single seller, but you have to have a little more basis for banning a buyer.

I currently bid on most t206 auctions that have low starting prices. I bid on virtually all of Brent's non-HOF listings which ended on Sunday, for example. I won 3 total auctions and was very happy about it.

Unfortunately bidding through your phone doesn't do a confirmation before placing the bid. Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

There's more to it than a bid retraction.

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

Interesting - I can see that happening (above). And for the record, my post wasn't directed at PWCC specifically as much as anyone who may encounter bidding / retracting "shenanigans" I don't know what PWCC does specifically here beyond warnings? Whether or not there is any teeth to their claims to address shilling and/or other games which bring legitimacy into question? As an occasional seller, I would probably ban someone if there was more than one retraction and/or non-paying bid - unless they got with me on a valid reason (as noted above) for why?

The example first noted with 26 retractions within 6 months on a bidder with 83 total feedbacks to me still goes beyond the extreme.

[BruceinGa]

[QUOTE=Thromdog;1640998]2. Simply wrote in the wrong amount such as $245 instead of $24.50


I've been on eBay for a long, long time. I've had one retraction and the reason was I omitted the decimal point.

[botn]

I have been on ebay since 1997 and never retracted a bid, never asked a seller to cancel a bid nor have I asked to pull a bid I made in all the thousands of items I bid on each year on sites outside of eBay.

The bigger question is why are PWCC auctions constantly associated with so much fraud and yet they get more consignments each month than the previous? If they want to be the hobby leader in sales, great, but then step up and really implement policies that they will adhere to. PWCC is not doing all they can to keep their auctions clean. The reason why is there is no incentive to.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Been wanting to answer this one and saw an opportunity with Ed's question.

Unfortunately bidding through your phone doesn't do a confirmation before placing the bid. Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

There's more to it than a bid retraction.

Sorry, but that is BS. I use my phone, with the ebay app, quite a lot. When you type in the amount of your bid, there is a fat blue bar across the screen that says "confirm bid". You cannot place your bid unless you confirm it.

[oldjudge]

If this is what's happening, I can't believe you guys actually deal with these people. You get what you deserve.

[jefferyepayne]

eBay doesn't care. PWCC doesn't care. Sellers don't care.

Unfortunately its up to buyers to put their foot down and take a stand. STOP bidding on any auction where a bidder has >5 retractions. STOP bidding on any auction for a high end item where a bidder has <10 feedbacks.

That's what I've started doing. I am suspicious of anyone with numerous retractions and no history on ebay when it comes to high end cards. The only way consignments slow down / stop is if bidders stop bidding ...

jeff

[Yoda]

Any way you slice it, PWCC has become, thanks to Ebay, a major auction house in a short period of time and a money machine.

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Sorry, but that is BS. I use my phone, with the ebay app, quite a lot. When you type in the amount of your bid, there is a fat blue bar across the screen that says "confirm bid". You cannot place your bid unless you confirm it.

Sorry but disagree.

It's all in 1 motion and not really a confirmation, so it's prone to error. You can literally place a bid and submit in a half a second.

When you bid on a desktop you enter an amount and click enter. Then a confirmation message is displayed and you confirm. I also checked through my phone by going to a browser and bidding through eBay's mobile site. Same thing, 2 screens. You enter your bid and click Place Bid.....which is the same as the confirm bid bar you are seeing on the mobile app. Then it takes you to the next screen which shows your bid and you click confirm.....which is not in the app.

Not the same user experience.

Even with auction houses it's the same thing, you enter your amount and click return. Then a true confirmation page appears and you click submit. The extra step prevents user error and it's a pretty common design retailers use.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Does it actually require 2 separate clicks? If so, it is 2 motions. Is your complaint then just that you do not have a new screen to do those 2 motions on?

I don't make mistakes like this but I will be the first to tell you that my cracked phone screen does weird things from time to time.

No offense meant here, but where do you live. I am moving there.

I will also say:

• Nothing ever gets done on the first shot
• No one ever follows up with you about anything
• Nobody ever does what they say they are going to
• I always get someone with pine tar thick accents
• Whatever needs to be done by a specific date, never is
• If something needs to be perfect in quality, it never is

Any time solving a problem requires any off the beaten path type of action on my part, involves anyone other than myself or worse an off the beaten path action needed to be done by someone else, I have this immediate acceptance to the fact it will be a nightmare that consumes 1 to dozens of hours of my life.

I can't even get the furniture people to come out within a 9 week time frame to fix my new furniture.

A bid retraction, just 1 of them, would be a logistical nightmare in my life. 5 phone calls, 8 emails, 3 more follow ups, a correction or two. I can't imagine having to try to attempt a retraction, let alone do many. It would probably be cheaper and easier for me to get a whole new phone for 300 to 600 dollars than to deal with correcting it.

Again, no offense meant, but seriously, is your residence earthly?

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Been wanting to answer this one and saw an opportunity with Ed's question.

Yes, I am one of them. I have no bid retractions in the last 30 days but have 10 in the last 6 months. I did receive a warning from PWCC but shrugged it off since I hadn't retracted any bids with PWCC. I understand the warning and have been better.

2 reasons I have retracted bids:
1. Bid on 4 or 5 cards that I found out were reprints after bidding (very good fakes I might add)....this was after contacting seller
2. Simply wrote in the wrong amount such as $245 instead of $24.50

I get the concerns on bid retractions especially when they are associated to a single seller, but you have to have a little more basis for banning a buyer.

I currently bid on most t206 auctions that have low starting prices. I bid on virtually all of Brent's non-HOF listings which ended on Sunday, for example. I won 3 total auctions and was very happy about it.

Unfortunately bidding through your phone doesn't do a confirmation before placing the bid. Anyone who texts frequently knows that you go through the motions and continue on.....fast. Unfortunately I don't press the decimal sometimes and then I have to retract a bid. For those who haven't retracted bids, I will add that this is a valid reason for a bid retraction by eBay rules if outside of 12 hours of auction end. Plus if you still want to bid on the auction, your minimum bid has to be equal to your retracted bid.......so basically you are out of the auction.

There's more to it than a bid retraction.

I think you just confirmed that folks with bid retractions need to be eliminated from e-bay. Sooner the better. If PWCC allows you to bid, that's bull shit.

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I think you just confirmed that folks with bid retractions need to be eliminated from e-bay. Sooner the better. If PWCC allows you to bid, that's bull shit.

Completely disagree.

[ALR-bishop]

Hope you are not that careless in your other endeavors, whether you beg to differ or not

[Buythatcard]

Since eBay doesn't do enough to get rid of buyers with multiple retractions, it's up to the sellers to take action.
If a buyer retracts a bid at one of my auctions and does not rebid, I block them immediately. If the retraction happens on the last day of the auction, I will call eBay and give them the buyer's userid. I was told to call in every time some one retracts without rebidding.

So, if other sellers would do the same thing, eventually we would get rid of some of these buyers.