Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[theshleps]

I recently had the SGC put into a PSA holder. I believe the other is still JSA. Not sure when purchased. I've been a bad record keeper. I believe I have had the Piedmont for %+ years but the other is more recent- maybe last 2 years. Anyone have bad news for me??
Flick 1909 T-206 Piedmont front.jpg

flick 1909 T-206 Sweet Caporal.jpg

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by theshleps

I recently had the SGC put into a PSA holder. I believe the other is still JSA. Not sure when purchased. I've been a bad record keeper. I believe I have had the Piedmont for %+ years but the other is more recent- maybe last 2 years. Anyone have bad news for me??
Attachment 335735

Attachment 335736

Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

Sold by sg713 on 02/22/2015

Found on CardTarget

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

Sold by sg713 on 02/22/2015

Found on CardTarget

Wow, card #7.

This is the first one I've seen with added corner wear.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Your bottom left corner looks worse, but the right corner crease and, more convincingly, the center crease look spot on to this card.

Sold by sg713 on 02/22/2015

Found on CardTarget

That's Scott, maybe he can help on the buyer.

[1treasuretrove]

Horrible for the hobby and this clearly reflects badly on the TPAs, but this is great detective work. Fantastic team effort in exposing this.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by 1treasuretrove

Fantastic team effort in exposing this.

Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if TPGs put this much effort into authenticating?

[Thromdog]

Comparison

[theshleps]

Originally Posted by Pat R

That's Scott, maybe he can help on the buyer.

i bought the fake Flick from Hunt 2/24/16

[asoriano]

Sickening.

[theshleps]

another try, my Crawfords, all now in PSA
Crawford 1909 T206 throwing sweet caporal.jpg

Crawford 1909 Sweet Caporal 350 T 206.jpg

Crawford 1909 T-206 Piedmont .jpg

[Pat R]

Same Buyer on the Baker. Sold by painthistorian on February 23 2015.

Baker Sale.jpg

[t206kid]

Scott is a board member...perhaps he can sort back through emails/records and see who the buyer was.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Same Buyer on the Baker. Sold by painthistorian on February 23 2015.

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I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?

Do you imagine the criminal(s) who pulled this fraud are reading these threads? Do you suppose they are sleeping well tonight?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Do you imagine the criminal(s) who pulled this fraud are reading these threads? Do you suppose they are sleeping well tonight?

I certainly hope they aren't and I hope they rot in hell.

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Do you imagine the criminal(s) who pulled this fraud are reading these threads? Do you suppose they are sleeping well tonight?

It might even be possible that the actual forger is inputting his opinion into these threads.

[jad22]

Really too bad eBay bidder history on Watchcount.com was discontinued.

[Millerd33]

Are index cards from 2013 Historic Autographs (the slabbed one with the t206 and the auto under them slabbed by PSA/DNA) Safe?

[1treasuretrove]

Originally Posted by jad22

Really too bad eBay bidder history on Watchcount.com was discontinued.

It sure makes tracking more difficult. I miss the days of goofbay too - some of the toolhaus site helps when tracking mutual feedback.

[Buythatcard]

Over the past 15 years, I have sold over 5,700 T206's both graded and ungraded.

I have kept a database of every single transaction which includes the date it was sold, ebay item id, and buyer's eMail address, sold amount, etc.

I never sold an autographed one but that does not mean someone did not take one of my cards and forged an autograph.

If any of those cards have a forged autograph and was sold by me when it did not have an autograph, I would be more than happy to give up the buyer's email address and date it was sold. Might help in tracking down a forger or two.

BTW, I kept track of every single transaction, not just T206's.

[autograf]

If the buyer/seller/etc did anything with PayPal, the seller can also download any transactions back for 5-6 years via PayPal. I did that recently with all of mine and stuck it in a Microsoft Access Database. It has a SIGNIFICANT amount of info on both sellers and buyers depending on how you select the data. Great functionality.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Hey Howard,

I saw your post on transactions and I would like to transition my logs into what you are doing so I can help for situations like this.

How are you keeping track of your transactions?

Regards,

Brent

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?

See Post 262 for six current eBay listings. From what I’ve seen, at least a couple look suspect and one seller had three listings. Better scans below...




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[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have, from a reliable source, the ebay buyer's id (same as the Flick, I guess). The ebay fraud folks are interested in helping too. We will see where this goes. Also, are there any bad ones on ebay right now (does anyone know)?

Leon, this is big. His feedback history likely contains his entire forgery portfolio. It could be 100 cards or more. All we need to do it look through each one on Cardtarget and Worthpoint by the title and seller ID, and then look to see if any signed versions surfaced 9 months later at auctions. This can blow the case wide open!

[T206Collector]

Have we found any irregularities about these four, which were found in a Steiner auction (of all places)? I know there have been individual postings about some or all of these. All it would take to add Steiner into the mix would be finding one of these to be fraudulent. It would also give us a New York nexus, and I happen to live here and would be happy to spend some time with the local law enforcement folks.



https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104527.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104524.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104525.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104526.aspx

[tsalem]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Have we found any irregularities about these four, which were found in a Steiner auction (of all places)? I know there have been individual postings about some or all of these. All it would take to add Steiner into the mix would be finding one of these to be fraudulent. It would also give us a New York nexus, and I happen to live here and would be happy to spend some time with the local law enforcement folks.



https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104527.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104524.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104525.aspx

https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104526.aspx

Yes, more info on these Steiner listings would be great

[egbeachley]

Has this site matured? The net54baseball site I know would have put the culprits name out there first and then consider guilt vs innocence.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by tsalem

Yes, more info on these Steiner listings would be great

I got a call from Steiner this morning. I got a ton of information about the consignor, and am confident they came from an original collection of through-the-mail cards, including mostly index cards, from the 1950s and 1960s. They will be sending me some additional, corroborating provenance and information about the collection, which I will either post here or on my website or both.

So, I do not believe that Manny Anti-Forgers Inc. will be able to find unsigned versions of these four anywhere. They are good.