Basketball Hall of Fame inductions announced on April 6th

[Chuck9788]

Who will make the make the Hall of Fame?

- Chauncey Billups

- Vince Carter

- Michael Cooper

- Walter Davis

- Charles Smith

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Chuck9788

Who will make the make the Hall of Fame?

- Chauncey Billups

- Vince Carter

- Michael Cooper

- Walter Davis

- Charles Smith

Vince, maybe Davis, Chauncey and Michael Cooper. Note that the Charles Smith being voted on is not the player, but a High School coach out of Louisiana.

[3-2-count]

Vince Carter & Walter Davis should be shoe ins.

[D. Bergin]

Vince Carter should be a lock, though I don't think he was quite as good as people remember him to be.

BTW, check out his wild trade history, before he even played a game in the NBA. I don't remember the circumstances surrounding the last one on the list below...but it strikes me as real strange that he got traded straight up as the 5th pick in the draft (with some cash thrown in), for the 4th pick in the draft (Antawn Jamison).

I mean, Toronto obviously knew that the Warriors wanted Antawn Jamison all along...and they probably wanted Vince all along, but somehow knew they could squeeze some extra cash out of the Warriors by taking Jamison 1st and still get the player they wanted.

Just really weird.

June 30, 1993: Traded by the Golden State Warriors (as a future 1998 1st round draft pick) with Anfernee Hardaway, a 1996 1st round draft pick (Todd Fuller was later selected) and a 2000 1st round draft pick (Mike Miller was later selected) to the Orlando Magic for Chris Webber.

July 29, 1994: Traded by the Orlando Magic (as a future 1998 1st round draft pick) with Scott Skiles and a 1996 1st round draft pick (Todd Fuller was later selected) to the Washington Bullets for a 1996 2nd round draft pick (Randy Livingston was later selected) and a 1998 1st round draft pick (Keon Clark was later selected).

November 17, 1994: Traded by the Washington Bullets (as a future 1998 1st round draft pick) with Tom Gugliotta, a 1996 1st round draft pick (Todd Fuller was later selected) and a 2000 1st round draft pick (Chris Mihm was later selected) to the Golden State Warriors for Chris Webber.

June 24, 1998: Drafted by the Golden State Warriors in the 1st round (5th pick) of the 1998 NBA Draft.

June 24, 1998: Traded by the Golden State Warriors with cash to the Toronto Raptors for Antawn Jamison.

Chauncey Billups was a nice player and is probably due to get in this year, where there's not a particularly strong class for this year's inductions.

Walter Davis started his career with a bang and looked like he had the makings of a "Great", but after only a few years regressed to a "Very Good" player, and pretty much stayed there for the rest of his career.

Michael Cooper is not really the type of player who gets in the HOF. Defensive stopper yes, but only 1 DPOY award in a relatively short career, and didn't stuff the stat sheets in other areas that get players like him in, such as Rebounds and/or Blocks. If he played on any other team besides those Laker teams during that time period, he wouldn't even be close to being considered.

Can't really speak on any of the other nominees this year, other then Jerry West will likely get in a 2nd time as an executive.

[Chuck9788]

Dave, that was a STRONG post (above). Much respect.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The standards aren't that high for Springfield. If you were a star for a reasonable period of time, it seems you have a good chance. By that standard, I still don't see Michael Cooper, but Carter for sure, Davis probably, and Billups good chance.

[cgjackson222]

Note that Basketball-Reference has HOF probabilities for each player:

Vince Carter: 94.5%
Billups: 84.4%
Walter Davis: 30.9%
Michael Cooper: .9%

I tend to agree with the probabilities, but think Cooper should be a bit higher given that he was key to 5 championships.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Note that Basketball-Reference has HOF probabilities for each player:

Vince Carter: 94.5%
Billups: 84.4%
Walter Davis: 30.9%
Michael Cooper: .9%

I tend to agree with the probabilities, but think Cooper should be a bit higher given that he was key to 5 championships.

He wasn't THAT key. They had two of the top 10 players of all time, and you could argue top 5, and another superstar/near superstar in Worthy.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Michael Cooper is not really the type of player who gets in the HOF. Defensive stopper yes, but only 1 DPOY award in a relatively short career, and didn't stuff the stat sheets in other areas that get players like him in, such as Rebounds and/or Blocks. If he played on any other team besides those Laker teams during that time period, he wouldn't even be close to being considered.

I loved Showtime but I did not think of Coop as a HOFer, so I'd be surprised to see him inducted.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He wasn't THAT key. They had two of the top 10 players of all time, and you could argue top 5, and another superstar/near superstar in Worthy.

I agree that Cooper was never one of the top 3 stars on the Lakers and belongs in the Hall of Very Good, not the HOF.

Just saying under 1% chance is a little low for a guy that averaged over 25 minutes a game on one of the games great dynasties. He is also just one of six guards in league history to be Defensive Player of the Year, along with Sidney Moncrief, Alvin Robertson, Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, and Marcus Smart.

[JustinD]

The entire group is a bit of a collective yawn this year, seems like the hof vote was as weak as the draft.

Chauncey is good enough but just barely and that is coming from a diehard Detroit sports fan. He was honestly a journeyman until he arrived in Detroit and had the pieces around him to click. He was certainly a late bloomer.

Vince Carter had a 22 season career but honestly 10 of hall of fame level play. The last six seasons were awful due to his refusal to hang it up. If he had retired at 32 it would be an easy yes, unfortunately he retired at 43. I’ll give him a pass, but it really got ugly there.

I wouldn’t give a second thought to Cooper, Davis or Smith. If Cooper belongs in for his laker play then so does AC Green…and I don’t believe that for a second. They picked the only two possible.

[Beercan collector]

Not sure if it’s for real but I’ve seen articles claiming Magic Johnson and James Worthy as saying Michael Cooper is in
https://www.latimes.com/sports/laker...l-hall-of-fame

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Not sure if it’s for real but I’ve seen articles claiming Magic Johnson and James Worthy as saying Michael Cooper is in
https://www.latimes.com/sports/laker...l-hall-of-fame

Unless its a late April Fools' day joke, I think Cooper got in, even if it comes as a surprise to everyone else on this thread.

[D. Bergin]

So the way I read it, basically everybody who was on the nominations list, got in.

Oh well. Guess this whole thread was an exercise in irrelevancy.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

So the way I read it, basically everybody who was on the nominations list, got in.

Oh well. Guess this whole thread was an exercise in irrelevancy.

Sometimes that seems like the standard, lol.

[JustinD]

duplicate.