Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I’m not concerned about Brent staying in business. I’m concerned about him going to jail. You can worry about PSA.

Are you a betting man? I'll give you 3:1 odds he's not even indicted, much less goes to jail.

3:1 odds. You in?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Are you a betting man? I'll give you 3:1 odds he's not even indicted, much less goes to jail.

3:1 odds. You in?

Doug and Bill were probably a longer shot when all that was getting going.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I just think it would be really, really hard to prove that Brent knowingly accepted doctored cards on consignment. And even if you could prove it, I'm not sure exactly what you would charge him with? Wouldn't part of his defense be that the industry's most trusted third party authenticator said they were good?

I'm not defending him, just saying it would be really hard to get a conviction.


Oh, what the hell. 4:1 odds. Jeff?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I just think it would be really, really hard to prove that Brent knowingly accepted doctored cards on consignment. And even if you could prove it, I'm not sure exactly what you would charge him with? Wouldn't part of his defense be that the industry's most trusted third party authenticator said they were good?

I'm not defending him, just saying it would be really hard to get a conviction.


Oh, what the hell. 4:1 odds. Jeff?

I told you before David, wire fraud. And if you read all the material on Blowout you might change your mind. There's an incredible fact pattern emerging. If you'd rather play ostrich and pontificate, that's cool.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Are you a betting man? I'll give you 3:1 odds he's not even indicted, much less goes to jail.

3:1 odds. You in?

I’m in.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

I’m in.

We have to have a time limit. What do you think is fair?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

We have to have a time limit. What do you think is fair?

Are you just talking about a bet on knowingly being part of a conspiracy which involves selling altered cards or is shilling part of the bet too? Because if the feds do look, I suspect that they will look at both, and maybe some other stuff as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Are you just talking about a bet on knowingly being part of a conspiracy which involves selling altered cards or is shilling part of the bet too? Because if the feds do look, I suspect that they will look at both, and maybe some other stuff as well.

I don't think they'll have to look very far on the first prong, based on what I've seen on Blowout, and elsewhere.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think they'll have to look very far on the first prong, based on what I've seen on Blowout, and elsewhere.

I'm not sure they'd have to look very far on the second prong either. I was just trying to establish the parameters.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Are you just talking about a bet on knowingly being part of a conspiracy which involves selling altered cards or is shilling part of the bet too? Because if the feds do look, I suspect that they will look at both, and maybe some other stuff as well.

I'll make it easy. Any conviction at all. I don't care if it's for unpaid library fines.

Edited to add: But there has to be a time limit. Within one year?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'll make it easy. Any conviction at all. I don't care if it's for unpaid library fines.

Edited to add: But there has to be a time limit. Within one year?

An indictment is not a conviction, nor is a year a realistic timeframe for a federal investigation.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

An indictment is not a conviction, nor is a year a realistic timeframe for a federal investigation.

Right. My bad. I said indictment, that's the bet.

If a year is not sufficient, why are people so concerned about the upcoming National, as if something big (arrests is what I believe was alluded to) is going to happen there?

[egbeachley]

Tip of the iceberg. It’s gaining momentum. Even the doubters and supporters from the early Blowout threads are turning as they realize ALL graded cards are suspect.

This will be one heck of a National.