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It absolutely can be a collaborative effort and it IS. Just take a few seconds to look at the About Us page on our website and see how collaborative it is. I will agree that my pointing out the thread where the Sovereign apple green was first attributed to the correct subjects was petty. The reason I did it was to show one example of how the collaborative effort over the years keeps slowly being rewritten to be the work of one person. I make no apologies for finding that bothersome but moving forward I'll keep it to myself. Last edited by Abravefan11; 01-18-2013 at 05:42 AM. |
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Regarding the SOVEREIGN "apple green" back phenomena....some interesting stuff
This group of cards completes the display of the 66 subjects in the SOVEREIGN set that were printed with the apple green backs
4th of 4 groups (15 subjects per sheet)....... Seymour >> Wiltse TED Z |
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The Doc White appears to be 'road apple' green.
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Not Doc White....that rough back is Harry Steinfeldt. The backs are depicted in reverse. I simply flipped my 15-pocket plastics to scan the backs of the cards. Best regards, buddy. TED Z |
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Regarding the SOVEREIGN "apple green" back phenomena....some interesting stuff
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What "objectionable actions leading to misinformation" are you talking about, Tim ? I may have made a mistake concerning the Nicholls card. But, I will remind you that, the existence of this "SWEET CAP 150, factory 649" card was identified by others before I had mentioned it. That controversy was argued 2 years ago. Yet, you still allude to it. This obsession of your's to continue to make this subject a "federal case" is very sad....if not laughable. Hey people.....here is a guy (Tim), who just stated....."the idea that would hang my (Tim's) reputation on any work of his (Ted's) preposterous." But DAMN it, he took my SOVEREIGN 350-only NO-PRINT list and included it into his website and did not have the professional courtesy to credit me. It was very obvious because my original list (posted June 2010) "FYI..T206 SOVEREIGN front/back...." was missing Bresnahan (bat) and Downey (fielding). My inadvertent omission. Tim's "T206Resource" site (posted 1 1/2 years later) included these two mistakes in his SOVEREIGN checklist. Now, I ask anyone on this forum. What is the probability of these two identical mistakes occuring....if as Tim claims....that he independently did the research ? THE PROBABILITY OF THIS OCCURRING IS GREATER THAN A MILLION-TO-ONE. When I saw this error in Tim's checklist, I simply informed him of it. He corrected it. Do you think he thanked me.... HECK NO ! ....if he had thanked me, it would have been tantamount to admitting that he "stole" my research. You can bet that he realized that he was caught in a BIG LIE. Strictly put, Tim is a PLAGIARIZER. And, in recent years he has posted stuff that he has gleaned from other Net54 members; and, has failed to give them credit. There are other examples regarding T206 info that I (and others) have posted on this forum the past 8 years that Tim included in his T206 site. But, Tim didn't have the common sense decency to acknowledge. For the better part of this past year (or more), I've tried to take the "high road" and not speak out. However, Tim's continuing negative comments (unsolicited) towards me everytime I post something on T206's has to cease & desist. So, here I am finally responding to them. Some of you will not like this, but it had to be said. Because it is unnecessary for this type of incessant harassment by Tim (or anyone else) on this forum. Look guys, I have generously shared my expertise on many BB card issues from the 1888 Goodwin Champions (N162) to T206's to Goudey's to Play Balls to post-war cards (1947 Bond Bread, 1949 Leaf, 1948 - 1955 Bowman's, and 1952 - 1967 Topps) the past 8 years on Net54. In this process, I have helped collector's resolve their questions; and, for the most part in a cordial and positive manner. However, at this point in time, I will tell everyone that I am fed-up with Tim's "BULL-CRAP"......he should seek help, because this incessant obsession of his is troubling. TED Z |
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I agree with your last statement, it would be nice if everyone got along (and agreed to disagree) but that's out of my hands, I mentioned in a thread a long time ago that I felt an apology was owed but after that I've just stayed out of it all. But, I don't agree with your accustaion. If that were the case, wouldn't Tim and Ted agree on everything? Sincerely, Clayton *edit to add , was writing this before the post above mine ^^^^, not that it changes anything I've said. Last edited by teetwoohsix; 01-18-2013 at 01:05 PM. |
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I am relatively a new member on this forum and until now i don t know anything about your different etc.
But i want to tell 1 thing to you Ted, i appreciate all your post and your research, each time you post a T206 thread i read it and follow it with all my atention. I learn many thing in the hobby with your contribution here. Thanks. Last edited by g_vezina_c55; 01-18-2013 at 01:43 PM. |
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Nelson
Thanks for your very kind words. Best regards, TED Z |
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Ted
All information on T206Resource is credited on an "About Us " page, its not Tim's site. We all shared info privately and you were included in that info and some how it turns out to be your research and posted publicly on 54. I myself did the sovereign list and I did make a mistake and it was fixed, I didn't fake scans to make myself correct. Its how you handle the mistakes that has separated us. I didn't copy your list or I would have had 151 Sovereign 150s. Remember the Crawford you claimed to own is another front back combo that does not exist. If you are called on something it is called an attempt to discredit, just the other day when you realized Russell was a life long bachelor we need to here a story how he was a "ladies man" and each time you tell the story the number of cards that you acquired from a great grand daughter that does not exist. A friendship has turned sour over bad info being challenged. We shared the new information on the composition of the set with you and everyone. It is on the site if you wish to know it but it is clear by your posts you have not read it or do not understand it. You have a collection to be proud of you don't need to make it sound better by creating stories. You don't need to claim to have all 75 American Beauty 460s, 40 or 50 is pretty special. Your desire to be looked at as the know it all about baseball cards has ruined your reputation. You alone have done this, no one else.
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It is not easy forgetting past problems, and quite obviously it isn't going to happen by one person making the effort - it's going to take that entire group, and perhaps that really is too much to ask. But I can assure you, regardless of whose fault any of it was, all the other T206 collectors on the board would like to see it happen. I have apologized to some real idiots before, when I didn't feel I was as much to blame (or even at all). 9 out of 10 times, everything was great afterward, so it was worth it. Seriously, if all the people you think are dicks, were all of a sudden your friends and caused you no angst, wouldn't that be better?
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Long before T206Resource.com was in the works, I spent a great deal of time looking at your checklists, adding to them and removing mistakes. This was not done for the purpose of using your work (nor was that done) but rather to help you. I passed along this information to you in the interest of collaboration. You previously listed Doc White (Portrait) Sovereign 350 as a no-print until I advised you that it existed and shared a scan with you. I also posted a John Frill scan of an AB460 when you listed it as a no-print. When you needed 11 additional subjects to complete the Sweet Caporal 350/460 No.42OP list, I provided you scans of all eleven. I most importantly helped to remove numerous bad confirmations from your lists. Does this sound like a plagiarist? If I was copying your lists and not working on my own, how would I know about your many mistakes? If I were going to plagiarize anyone, Ted would literally be the last person in the hobby I would consider. Beyond the known made up cards that would make me take pause, there is work like this example. In a Sweet Caporal 350/460 No.42 No OP survey I did in 2010 he confirmed 26 cards in the survey and 21 turned out to be no good. Again, why would I have any faith, to place my name, on work like that? A big portion of the information on our site is based on the idea of print groups. This is a concept Ted has either ignored, or doesn’t understand. He’s never addressed them and his posts still reflect the concepts of the set prior to us learning about them. They are the foundation for the set and explaining its order. Whether he doesn’t understand them, doesn’t know about them or doesn’t believe they are correct, there is no way we could have copied this from him based on any premise. Quote:
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I acknowledged earlier in this thread that my pointing out Jim’s discovering the correlation between the Sovereign 350 apple green and the subjects they were printed with was a tad petty. But it was accurate. I have informed you in a private email and will reiterate it here publicly. Plagiarism is a very strong accusation and something that I am not guilty of. I am warning you for the last time to cease saying that about me. Ideally everyone would get a long and work for the greater good. I've tried moving on several times but the lies just keep on coming. They eventually get the best of me and I speak out. I'll keep them to myself moving forward and stick strictly to the card information. If that isn't accurate, I will post about it for the knowledge of other collectors. Last edited by Abravefan11; 01-18-2013 at 06:49 PM. |
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Regardless of who gets or wants credit ..... Thanks to everyone for this thread.
I just picked up my first apple green sovereign and I was glad to find this thread to shed some light, and have the opportunity to educate myself a little on the subject. |
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