Ruth can do the impossible!

[Nyygameused]

Looking for ruth items I came across these two items, the first appeared to be a vintage cut with a piece of tape over the signature. Nothing seemed odd as the tape and paper looked old enough

[Nyygameused]

But then this!!!!!! Anyone care to chime in on what's going on here?

[Lordstan]

Someone got a good scan of the original. Printed on old paper and put tape over it to hide the fact that it's new.
Scammers and thieves are creative when trying separate people from their money.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Someone got a good scan of the original. Printed on old paper and put tape over it to hide the fact that it's new.
Scammers and thieves are creative when trying separate people from their money.

So is the card the original? They appear indistinguishable biased on the sigs alone I'd be very scared if someone found identical paper to the card

[ATP]

Fwiw, the first photo, is on the same goofy looking darker brown paper that I see fake cuts on all the time. My guess is that is the copy, obviously.

[Lordstan]

As someone who has fair non-professional photoshop skills, I can say that I think it would be much easier to erase a white background and print the resulting sig image cleanly on a dark background paper. Erasing the dark background and then printing the resulting sig image on a white background would be pretty hard to do without at least a little brownish artifact.

[Nyygameused]

Found another one, if anything guys be aware this signature reproduction is out there

[Runscott]

Why don't you tell us where you are finding these, as none of the rest of us are seeing them. Same for the penciled Ruth autograph. You seem to have access to a lot of questionable Ruth stuff - where are you getting it?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Why don't you tell us where you are finding these, as none of the rest of us are seeing them. Same for the penciled Ruth autograph. You seem to have access to a lot of questionable Ruth stuff - where are you getting it?

Scott, here is another guy who just signed up and does not even have a name. I think he might be testing the market place.

[Lordstan]

This is getting a little stupid.
Some idiot is just taking a signature and attempting to paste it on old paper. It is the exact same signature. Anyone who would fall for this is a moron.
Being a new member, perhaps the OP should introduce him/herself to everyone, because pretty soon people are going to start thinking that they're the one doing it at home and then showing to us to see if we approve.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

This is getting a little stupid.
Some idiot is just taking a signature and attempting to paste it on old paper. It is the exact same signature. Anyone who would fall for this is a moron.
Being a new member, perhaps the OP should introduce him/herself to everyone, because pretty soon people are going to start thinking that they're the one doing it at home and then showing to us to see if we approve.

Yes, but there are plenty of morons buying such stuff. If a forgery dealer could work his way into the 'almost a moron' group of buyers by learning more from members here, I'm sure he would do so. As you say, the OP just needs to do what everyone else here does: introduce himself, understanding how this might look to us, given that his approach so far has been almost identical to what the scammers here have tried. Not saying it's quacking exactly like a duck...

It's appropriate that you mention "introducing". Once I see a person's name posted, I feel more comfortable about them. Months-years of interaction add to that. Then when I see their picture the comfort level rises a little more. And finally we meet each other, and they could probably be crooked as hell, but I'd trust them much more than someone who is brand new on the internet, invisible and anonymous. It's just the way it works.

[Runscott]

Shelly - I'm not quite as cynical as you...yet. Perhaps we're just hearing a really good duck impersonation.

[Nyygameused]

Wow really guys? Please look up who yankees506 is on gameuseduniverse. That's me, my name is carmelo by the way. Is this how you guys treat everyone who first joins? I don't know how there are any members if so. I'm just looking to pass/gain info and get snobby and cynical replies like I'm some kind of scammer. Geesh for complete disclosure:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-AU...item3f38260e6e

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171379608949...84.m1423.l2649

And no I'm not the seller of either items, I was just looking and doing my research as I've stated before I am just getting into this retro stuff. Long winded post are not my thing but come on guys. Take a step back, you don't have everyone "figured" out and not everything is a "gotcha" moment.

Here is where I found the card

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...kaged-product/

[Deertick]

The card in post #2 is the original. I would be interested if the reverse had the same back as the others, or if the membership card is a later embellishment. The one on eBay states it is a reprint.

ALL of the 'brown' ones are digital copies.

JSA got it wrong in that Sanders auction.