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Thanks Larry, maybe you can PM Pete U. and share the news with him....
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If you don't mind being cheated...then bid on their stuff. |
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think this is an unfair statement. doubt very seriously brent is cheating.
are there people who consign w/ pwcc and bid up their own product, sure. hard to stop that as it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out how to do that. but to insist that brent has something to do w/ it and w/ zero proof to back it up, i think is completely unfair. now before you throw out the "turning a blind eye" argument, again...ya need proof. I've only asked him to check into 2 auctions that I was serious on and got back to me w/I an hour. you'd be surprised at the amount of people that only need a few items and would only use ebay for a small fraction to fill these holes, so their bid history of 50%+ seems suspicious. retractions? different story, but I know he booted 2 folks last auction for the number of retractions they had. without any evidence we can speculate all day long and on every topic. not defending him, but unless there is absolute certainty or an ebay list surfaces similar to the maestro one, it's hard to call him a "cheat", imo. flame on. Last edited by begsu1013; 04-05-2016 at 05:25 PM. |
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but you have a point...I misspoke. some sellers allow/do not make a very good effort to prevent cheating.
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i guess. just posting my factual experiences. the point stands true though, correct?
(and nothing consigned w/ him. and the two things that did peak my interest, no longer do as they have already surpassed my price point) |
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I like PWCC, have had good experiences but this is the stuff I have a hard time putting my mind around. I realize its hard to police all their auctions for shilling/fraud, but wouldn't something like this example (and there are several BTW) raise a number of red flags immediately? Same new/relatively low feedback bidder, running same grade card up well over VCP recent average or max, and 13 bid retractions within 6 mos! I've been on eBay for 15+ years and I've never had 1.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...4AAOSwBnVW-ANt Last edited by Edwolf1963; 04-06-2016 at 12:18 PM. |
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I review most of my auctions on PWCC. 99.9% of them I am very happy with. If there is someone like this over-bidding me, then I would personally send them an e-mail. Brent's group has always been very responsive. |
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I haven't seen it mentioned yet... but these threads and observations, though good in intent, do give a nice blue print for anyone who wants to actively scare bidders/competition away from a listing. Just sayin.
I've bought over a dozen items from PWCC and with exception of one, do not feel I've overpaid (often backed up by subsequent sales). Their service (especially packaging and responding to my questions/requests) has been great in my experience... and though I do not think for a second there is not at least some funny business that goes on within their offerings, I do not think this is unique to PWCC, Probstein. I'm sure it happens on many other consignment type sales (especially AH's that have been outed), and/or even when the seller is the card's owner. Not sure what the solutions are, but I've got to think it would be difficult to monitor and then make decisions in real time (blocking bidders, etc) when you've got thousands of listings. I've never sold, so don't have the most informed POV. Seems it may be good if eBay were able to police this, perhaps in the form of warnings for excessive retractions, returns, non payments, and suspending bidders when it seems appropriate. |
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It has been happening for a long time already. A couple members have even admitted to doing it in the past.
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PSA 4 Doc Crandall cap with portrait PSA 2 Joe Tinker batting The prices on these were pretty good. However I often see plenty of cards they have for sale that are........... let's just say the opposite of good. And they're nothing special. I'm talking common commons going for well above what a sane person would pay. I glanced at the recent listings and it appears as though there's NOTHING (in my price range) that I would consider a good deal. And there's still plenty of time for the prices to get crazier.
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My experiences with PWCC have generally been fine.
Reading all these posts I was intrigued enough to investigate the bidders who have now topped me on 4 pricey items in tonight's auction, including some Goudeys and Ruths. The four sellers have bid on PWCC with 44%, 46%, 77% and 77% of their recent bids. And they each have many hundreds of feedbacks. Am I accusing anyone of wrongdoing? No. Do these numbers strike me as a little peculiar? Yep they do. Are a lot of other quality sellers. |
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We can all speculate till the cows come home. I'm convinced that most of the shenanigans that go on are large sellers who agree among themselves that they'll list on well known web sites and then run each other's things up. You rub my back and I'll rub yours. And if you end up holding the bag when the music ends we'll make believe it never happened.
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Well I got my card for $400 less than it sold for in last falls rea...I cannot complain...despite the unorthodox bidding techniques of some bidders.
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See my thread on the Ed Killian that ended for an asinine $76 when it was miss-labeled. That's not a ridiculous price?
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Glad the auction ended after midnight EST. Was asleep by 11 and saved myself a lot of money.
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I reached the point quickly to go ahead and delete all my watched items so I wouldn't bid any more. I still have Heritage to contend with Sunday.
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