New York - City of Losers

[packs]

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

It would be interesting to see stats on this. For example, stats sometimes don't verify people's perception about certain players being clutch hitters. In any case yeah for Yankees fans it would have been nice if Cole had pitched better in certain games, and I get the frustration. As a Sox fan I am glad he didn't but I still think he's a great pitcher.

[egri]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Would a high five with your glove on satisfy your literal analysis as long as one didn’t use his gloved hand?

And I know you are going to say that Jim Abbott couldn’t comply.

So long as five fingers are raised in some form, I think the spirit of the rule is met, whether or not the five fingers are obscured by a glove.

Originally Posted by frankbmd

You could then award a career Cy to any pitcher with seven babies.

If innings pitched continue their precipitous decline, before long outfielders will be making more throws each game than pitchers. I propose we retroactively award a Baby Cy to outfielder Gus Zernial, who had six home runs in three games commemorated on his 1952 Topps card (he hit a seventh the following day), and also to pitcher Larry Jansen, who is shown on his card holding up seven fingers--one for each of his children.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

Andy Pettite was pretty awful in Game 6 of the 2001 Series and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

[egri]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

...and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

In the 2004 ALCS as well. Just goes to show that even the great ones stumble sometimes.

[packs]

I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about the guy losing 2 out of 3 starts to end the year, one of which the Yankees were counting on him to win, and then losing again in the Wild Card game and giving up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about the guy losing 2 out of 3 starts to end the year, one of which the Yankees were counting on him to win, and then losing again in the Wild Card game and giving up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings.

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

Yep. All wins and losses count the same, just like all runs and runs surrendered in a game count the same, but some don't seem persuaded by that.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yep. All wins and losses count the same, just like all runs and runs surrendered in a game count the same, but some don't seem persuaded by that.

How can you be when you watch someone lose the last game there is to play? I don't see how theory or conceptual ideals play into losing the game you needed to win.

[packs]

Originally Posted by steve B

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

Obviously. You play the entire season to win in October, so if you don't win in October, what does it matter? I really don't see how anyone in the world would take solace in something like Gerrit Cole having a great May and then throwing 2 innings in a do or die game.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by packs

I just find it funny that people are upset at the Yankees "buying" championships, which is absurd once you start talking about the teams who won. The Core Four were entirely home grown players, and that doesn't include Bernie Williams, another home grown player, or bit players like Ramiro Mendoza, who were also home grown players.

So, what was bought when three of your best hitters were signed out of high school and your two best pitchers were signed as an international free agent and a 22nd round draft pick?

Even if you look at 2009, 5 out of the 9 starting players had only played in a Yankee uniform. In the rotation, 2 out of 5 starters were drafted by the Yankees and the bullpen was anchored by Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, David Robertson, and Phil Coke, all guys who had never worn another uniform.

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not really understanding what's to be admired about a team like the Rays either. How can you celebrate losing? Or want to emulate a team who lost enough to finally be good? How is that a recipe anyone would want to follow? You think there are teams out there considering being terrible for 20 years on purpose to finally be good and still not win a World Series?

Good Lord,

If the Yankees and the Dodgers did not perennially have the two highest team salaries, perhaps I would think twice about claiming that they buy championships. (I also like to see the big spenders lose, I'm not a Laker fan either)

As far as the Rays are concerned, the first time they reached the big show (aka WS) I think their team salary was between 1/4 and 1/3 of the league's highest. Someone will provide the specifics if you doubt that. They also play in a tin foil dome with a slanted roof. Have you been there, I have. Winning a championship or even coming in second is much more of an accomplishment than going out and buying Stanton and Cole and then bitch about not winning a championship. Go Rays, and I would add the Brewers for many of the same reasons. There is a big difference between wanting to emulate a small market team and admiring them.

Another post suggested that we were dissing New York as a city. I would object to that assessment, because I'm sure there are several million New Yorkers who don't give a damn about sports, and more than a few are probably fine people, whether the Yankees win or lose.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Obviously. You play the entire season to win in October, so if you don't win in October, what does it matter? I really don't see how anyone in the world would take solace in something like Gerrit Cole having a great May and then throwing 2 innings in a do or die game.

If you don't win in May you aren't competitive in October. Take one of his May wins, turn it into a loss, and the Yankees don't even make the wild card. This is the same argument we've had about all runs in a game being equal no matter which inning.

[frankbmd]

As a die hard Packer fan, I am more than willing to admit that Rodgers laid an egg (or maybe a dozen) in the Saints game.

Objective interpretations by Yankee fans can be harder to find, but not always.
The championship and salary data presented in this thread seems to cast a dim light on the truth of their feeling of entitlement to all the never ending championships that money can buy.

That's why in baseball my teams are the Rays and the Brewers. They don't feel entitled to any championships, but when the small market teams win, I jump for joy. BTW I rooted for the Cardinals last night even though I should be a Dodger homie.

[Shoeless Moe]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

and just hilarious NY's team are #2 & #3, and sitting home watching the playoffs. Well at least you have the Giants & Jets to look forward to now that baseball is over.

[Shoeless Moe]

Jets and Giants tied for worst-record in NFL since 2017


https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/jets...nfl-since-2017

[Shoeless Moe]

Over the last 20 seasons (including this one), the New York Knicks have an abysmal .402 winning percentage. That, of course, ranks dead last in the NBA.

2019 article:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2-decade-mess


like I said in the first post, chump teams, chump fans.

New York - The City that never sweeps - in more then one way!