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Old 08-19-2015, 12:05 PM
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Default 1st Generation Psa flips

Hey all, new to the site, so forgive me if this already has a thread somewhere.

I've recently gotten back into collecting, after about 25yrs away from it. I've sent a bunch of my cards to PSA, as well as made several purchases of PSA graded cards. I've read the thread on this site regarding the changes over the years in the PSA flip, and was curious: how tough is it to find a graded card with the original flip? The style with the slashes through the zeros. It doesn't seem as though I see a lot of them up for auction, so I'm wondering how rare they are, as well as if they add any actual value to the card itself?
Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 08-19-2015, 12:13 PM
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They don't add value. There are relatively few left probably due to reholdering etc. but I wouldn't call them "rare."
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:22 PM
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Welcome aboard!

I personally have found some folks feel it may hurt value, as PSA may have had looser grading standards at the time. So, many people have had their cards in those old flips re-holdered to the modern flip and case.

Here's one example - identical cards (PSA 10 Marino rookie) sold by the same seller, ending one minute apart. (Mine was the old flip, and I didn't shill it, but I don't think that was the issue here!)

Old Flip

New Flip

Price was $150 apart ($1480 vs. $1630), with the old flip selling for less. I've seen many examples of similar, so I think people may seek to re-holder those older flips to get away from the perception that grading standards may have been weaker in the beginning.

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Old 08-19-2015, 12:25 PM
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it doesnt make a difference because any of them in the old holders are still in the old holders, and once a psa 10, always a psa 10 as long as its in the holder.
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:43 PM
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Thanks guys.

I have to say, for a hobby that is often so focused on authenticity and scarcity of quality product, I find it odd that these are not more in demand. While I understand the re-holdering over the years in order to have the most updated style and best quality grade, it seems that this only enhances the appeal. From what I understand, these flips were only produced in 1991 & '92. How many cards could they have graded in that time frame? It was such a new idea, that it couldn't have been many. Add the re-holdering, and it seems as though the number in circulation must be fairly low relative to the total cards graded over the past 23-4 years.

Anyway, thanks again for the thoughts.

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Old 08-19-2015, 08:46 PM
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Why would anyone care about a rare FLIP?? I just don't see it.
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:57 PM
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Why would anyone care about a rare FLIP?? I just don't see it.
I got this card 100% because of the rare flip. Yes I collect weird stuff.
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:48 PM
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I believe PSA is a tougher grader now, so an original flip may lower the value not raise it.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:21 PM
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Welcome back to the hobby!

1. Collect what you enjoy, what you like, what moves you, etc.

2. Always buy the card, not the holder.
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Welcome back to the hobby!

1. Collect what you enjoy, what you like, what moves you, etc.

2. Always buy the card, not the holder.
And when those two contradict each other?
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