I don't like Clemente

[JTysver]

Guerrero
AB- 8155, H- 2590, HR- 449, RBI- 1496, Avg- .318 Slg- .553, OPS- .931

Clemente
AB- 9454, H- 3000, HR- 240, RBI- 1305, Avg- .317 Slg- .475, OPS- .834

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by JTysver

Guerrero
AB- 8155, H- 2590, HR- 449, RBI- 1496, Avg- .318 Slg- .553, OPS- .931

Clemente
AB- 9454, H- 3000, HR- 240, RBI- 1305, Avg- .317 Slg- .475, OPS- .834

Such comparisons should be accompanied with the note that Vlad never had to try to get one out of Forbes Field.

I'm a big fan of both!


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[71buc]

I don't think you understand. Clemente cannot be reduced to numbers. Jackie Robinson is baseball's conscience and Roberto Clemente is baseball's patron saint. Nonetheless, how many batting titles did Guerrro win, how many Gold Gloves? I'm asking because I really don't know and I assume based on your research you must know. Don't get me wrong. I love Vlad he is deserving of the HOF. However comparing him to Clemente is simply unfair to Vlad and the great career he had. He is no Clemente.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Such comparisons should be accompanied with the note that Vlad never had to try to get one out of Forbes Field.

I'm a big fan of both!


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He also ignored defense and Clemente's greatest asset, his arm. Clemente had 266 assists, Guerrero 126.

[JTysver]

Guerrero had a monster arm. Not as many assists is because guys didn't run on him. He was a little sloppier in the field but not a slouch at all.

As far as the homers, Vlad had about twice as many. Montreal was not really a hitters paradise either.

No where did I say that Vlad was more integral to the game. I'm saying he was a very similar player. Both had similar skill sets. I mentioned Vlad because it puts into context a similar player. The poster wanted to know what to like about Clemente. Imagine Vlad. That pretty much is close.

[geosluggo]

Clemente was my all-time favorite, as I've mentioned before. I was a Vlad fan because he reminded me of Clemente a little -- mainly as a bad-ball hitter and strong-armed outfielder. I kind of agree with JTysver's point -- but I was surprised to see that baseball-reference.com does not consider them very similar.

According to baseball-reference.com, the players most statistically similar to Guerrero are: Miguel Cabrera, Jeff Bagwell, Larry Walker, Jim Rice, Willie Stargell, Billy Williams, Todd Helton, Duke Snider, Andres Galarraga and Carlos Delgado.

The players most similar to Clemente are: Zack Wheat, Vada Pinson, Goose Goslin, Al Oliver, Enos Slaughter, Tony Gwynn, Paul Waner, Johnny Damon, Steve Finley, Dave Parker.

[chaddurbin]

they may be similar offensively, but clemente really laps him in defense according to all these sites. clemente about 2x vlad in career WAR.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by JTysver

Guerrero had a monster arm. Not as many assists is because guys didn't run on him. He was a little sloppier in the field but not a slouch at all.

As far as the homers, Vlad had about twice as many. Montreal was not really a hitters paradise either.

No where did I say that Vlad was more integral to the game. I'm saying he was a very similar player. Both had similar skill sets. I mentioned Vlad because it puts into context a similar player. The poster wanted to know what to like about Clemente. Imagine Vlad. That pretty much is close.

No one ran on Clemente and he still had more assists than any modern outfielder. He was that good.