enough is enough

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Well you are right that he said that but my interpretation of that statement is a social one, not that he's against America or the flag, since it implies he would stand for both if not for the injustices he sees in our society.

You just got b!tched slapped with some harsh truth and you're still posting? You're a fool.

[packs]

I don't feel like one. I feel like the opposite of one. I feel on the right side of history. I look forward to living in a world where people care more about human beings than who stands up when.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Is this man a fool?

You edited your post, but I already quoted it and I'll answer your question. Yes, he is a fool. He's holding that flag upside down. Any more ridiculous pictures with ridiculous questions?

[nolemmings]

This from Nick Saban, not exactly one of my favorite people:

"Saban was asked by a caller who said he is a military veteran about the protests by NFL players during the national anthem, and whether former players who didn't stand for the anthem would be allowed back on his sideline, according to BamaOnline's Charlie Potter.

"I don't think that what these people are doing is in any way, shape or form are meant to disrespect a veteran or somebody like yourself who has worked so hard, fought so hard, sacrificed so much for all of us to have the quality of life that we want to have," Saban said.

He went on to elaborate that, part of what makes this country great, is the ability to express yourself how you see fit."

"But one of the things that you also fought for and made sacrifice for was that we all could have the freedom to have choice, in terms of what we believe, what we did and what we said," Saban said. "Look, I respect people's individual rights. I have my opinion, in terms of what I would do and how I would do it. And I would not want to ever disrespect the symbols that represent the values of our country. But I also respect individual differences that other people have, and I think they have the right to express those. Whether it's our players or somebody else, whether I agree or disagree, I do think they have the right to do that."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...pect-veterans/

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

This from Nick Saban, not exactly one of my favorite people:

"Saban was asked by a caller who said he is a military veteran about the protests by NFL players during the national anthem, and whether former players who didn't stand for the anthem would be allowed back on his sideline, according to BamaOnline's Charlie Potter.

"I don't think that what these people are doing is in any way, shape or form are meant to disrespect a veteran or somebody like yourself who has worked so hard, fought so hard, sacrificed so much for all of us to have the quality of life that we want to have," Saban said.

He went on to elaborate that, part of what makes this country great, is the ability to express yourself how you see fit."

"But one of the things that you also fought for and made sacrifice for was that we all could have the freedom to have choice, in terms of what we believe, what we did and what we said," Saban said. "Look, I respect people's individual rights. I have my opinion, in terms of what I would do and how I would do it. And I would not want to ever disrespect the symbols that represent the values of our country. But I also respect individual differences that other people have, and I think they have the right to express those. Whether it's our players or somebody else, whether I agree or disagree, I do think they have the right to do that."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...pect-veterans/

Of course he's going to say that. That's about as politically correct as it gets. His job is to get the best talent possible to commit to play for Alabama. The majority of top talent happens to come from the black demographic, which supposedly feels oppressed. He's not going to speak with his balls and risk pissing them off.

Which brings up a great point here. What's the difference between him saying how he actually feels and the consequences that come with it vs. the NFL players protesting and us (the fans) protesting them?

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Of course he's going to say that. That's about as politically correct as it gets. His job is to get the best talent possible to commit to play for Alabama. The majority of top talent happens to come from the black demographic, which supposedly feels oppressed. He's not going to speak with his balls and risk pissing them off.

Which brings up a great point here. What's the difference between him saying how he actually feels and the consequences that come with it vs. the NFL players protesting and us (the fans) protesting them?

Maybe. But given that he lives and works in a state that fought to defeat the very flag you honor, that in many ways proudly stands on that heritage to this day, and who, just this week, had one party nominate for the U.S. Senate a man twice removed from the Alabama Supreme Court for refusing to follow the rulings of the US Supreme Court, I would say his remarks carry weight well beyond political correctness. I seriously doubt that all the Bama Boosters enjoyed his comments, yet he made them anyway. Then again, he may have just spoken his true beliefs, regardless of fallout. Believe it or not, it happens.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

you just got b!tched slapped with some harsh truth and you're still posting? You're a fool.

lolololol

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You just got b!tched slapped with some harsh truth and you're still posting? You're a fool.

And you're an ignorant asshole. The flag is a symbol, the constitution is what this is all about and the actual execution of it's intent and purpose. You can bastardized the point all you want but that is what this symbolic gesture is all about and for the record you don't have to be black to support it, you just need to see things from a perspective that is inherently foreign to you

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

And you're an ignorant asshole. The flag is a symbol, the constitution is what this is all about and the actual execution of it's intent and purpose. You can bastardized the point all you want but that is what this symbolic gesture is all about and for the record you don't have to be black to support it, you just need to see things from a perspective that is inherently foreign to you

1) If this is about the Constitution, then it is about the Flag and it is a protest against this country. The Constitution is an aspect the Flag symbolizes.

2) If this is about the Constitution, then can you please show me where in the Constitution it states who these rights are and are not extended to?

3) I really hate when people tell me I need to see things from the other perspective. Here's why: it leads to questions I can never get an answer for.

- Why aren't these athletes protesting the violence in the south side of Chicago, that just recorded its 500th official homicide of 2017 this past weekend?

- If these minorities/people of color were truly oppressed, why is 68% of the NFL and 74% of the NBA black?

- Why is the leader (Colin Kaepernick) of this "movement" a supporter of Fidel Castro, a truly oppressive dictator?

- Why don't these athletes - or anyone who feels oppressed by America for that matter - find another country to live in if the US is truly that oppressive?

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

1) If this is about the Constitution, then it is about the Flag and it is a protest against this country. The Constitution is an aspect the Flag symbolizes.

2) If this is about the Constitution, then can you please show me where in the Constitution it states who these rights are and are not extended to?

3) I really hate when people tell me I need to see things from the other perspective. Here's why: it leads to questions I can never get an answer for.

- Why aren't these athletes protesting the violence in the south side of Chicago, that just recorded its 500th official homicide of 2017 this past weekend?

- If these minorities/people of color were truly oppressed, why is 68% of the NFL and 74% of the NBA black?

- Why is the leader (Colin Kaepernick) of this "movement" a supporter of Fidel Castro, a truly oppressive dictator?

- Why don't these athletes - or anyone who feels oppressed by America for that matter - find another country to live in if the US is truly that oppressive?

You know what, nevermind. Your generation will be gone soon enough

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

You know what, nevermind. Your generation will be dead soon enough

I'm 23. And that doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I'm 23.

Then you're ignorant and that's scary

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I'm 23. And that doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.

I'm on my phone at a bar about to meet up with a woman. You should do the same

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Then you're ignorant and that's scary

I asked four factually-based questions that you have not answered, yet I'm ignorant.

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

I'm on my phone at a bar about to meet up with a woman. You should do the same

I'd rather not. That would be considered cheating, since I'm already engaged to a beautiful woman.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

You know what, nevermind. Your generation will be dead soon enough

Typical liberal move, Dan Hicks. If someone disagrees with you, just wish them death. Nice edit though.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Typical liberal move, Dan Hicks. If someone disagrees with you, just wish them death. Nice edit though.

Wish them? Lol. Acknowledge it's coming, well...yeah

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Wish them? Lol. Acknowledge it's coming, well...yeah

Why even bring it up?

2) If this is about the Constitution, then can you please show me where in the Constitution it states who these rights are and are not extended to?

They are extended to all, in theory. It's the lack of execution of these rights that's in question

- Why aren't these athletes protesting the violence in the south side of Chicago, that just recorded its 500th official homicide of 2017 this past weekend?
Can't answer that but unsure of the relevance as it relates to this issue?

- If these minorities/people of color were truly oppressed, why is 68% of the NFL and 74% of the NBA black? These athletes are representing the other 99.9 of those who aren't professional athletes

- Why is the leader (Colin Kaepernick) of this "movement" a supporter of Fidel Castro, a truly oppressive dictator? No idea, and he's not the leader as far as I know...he just was the first to stick his neck out

- Why don't these athletes - or anyone who feels oppressed by America for that matter - find another country to live in if the US is truly that oppressive?
Or just be uber patriotic and stop watching sports

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Q1: If this is about the Constitution, then can you please show me where in the Constitution it states who these rights are and are not extended to?

A1:They are extended to all, in theory. It's the lack of execution of these rights that's in question

Response to A1: So it has nothing to do with the Constitution, but rather how we as Americans act. Good, good. We're learning something called accountability today.


Q2: Why aren't these athletes protesting the violence in the south side of Chicago, that just recorded its 500th official homicide of 2017 this past weekend?

A2:Can't answer that but unsure of the relevance as it relates to this issue?

Response to A2: Well, if they're protesting social injustice, the murder of people would certainly fall under that category. There were 762 homicides last year, and another 500+ this year. Last year, 4334 people were shot (one person every two hours essentially), and almost all of those victims were black. The police shot 25 people, and they were all mostly armed or dangerous in other ways. Isn't this in the realm of what the athletes are protesting? Why are they ignoring Chicago? Doesn't fit their racial/victim narrative, does it?


Q3: If these minorities/people of color were truly oppressed, why is 68% of the NFL and 74% of the NBA black?

A3: These athletes are representing the other 99.9 of those who aren't professional athletes

Response to A3: Those percentages extended into the college ranks as well. Also, what about higher up figureheads such as Ben Carson, Sheriff David Clarke, etc., who work first hand with those would be "oppressed"? Why don't they see it the same way as the athletes?


Q4: Why is the leader (Colin Kaepernick) of this "movement" a supporter of Fidel Castro, a truly oppressive dictator?

A4: No idea, and he's not the leader as far as I know...he just was the first to stick his neck out

Response to A4: He started the "movement", therefore he lead the movement, hence him being the "leader". And that still somewhat dodges the main point of the question, that the person they are all supporting and standing (or kneeling) with is a supporter of an oppressive dictator.


Q5: Why don't these athletes - or anyone who feels oppressed by America for that matter - find another country to live in if the US is truly that oppressive?
A5: Or just be uber patriotic and stop watching sports

Response to A5: I am incredibly Patriotic, and I have stopped watching the NFL and NBA.

Responses are underneath your answers. And my responses, for the most part, are legitimate responses to spark discussion, which is what we need to have more of. Not the childish name calling that goes on.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

And you're an ignorant asshole. The flag is a symbol, the constitution is what this is all about and the actual execution of it's intent and purpose. You can bastardized the point all you want but that is what this symbolic gesture is all about and for the record you don't have to be black to support it, you just need to see things from a perspective that is inherently foreign to you

and your communistic ignorance shows it's face again. This has nothing to do with the constitution. zero, zilch, nada.

the first amendment issues you protections from the govt that's it. It does not apply to your job, your private life...etc You have a right to not be arrested for saying things the govt doesn't like. But, you are not free from facing consequences for your choices. If you say things I don't like, I can fire you. If you say things in a place of business they don't like they can ask you to leave. If you refuse, you can be arrested for trespassing.


oh, and btw, if you are going to call people tools and be a smug little twat, bring that to me man, I'm not a victim nor am I frightened of internet tough guy communists on the internet. Grow up, your POV is for children.

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

and your communistic ignorance shows it's face again. This has nothing to do with the constitution. zero, zilch, nada.

the first amendment issues you protections from the govt that's it. It does not apply to your job, your private life...etc You have a right to not be arrested for saying things the govt doesn't like. But, you are not free from facing consequences for your choices. If you say things I don't like, I can fire you. If you say things in a place of business they don't like they can ask you to leave. If you refuse, you can be arrested for trespassing.


oh, and btw, if you are going to call people tools and be a smug little twat, bring that to me man, I'm not a victim nor am I frightened of internet tough guy communists on the internet. Grow up, your POV is for children.

Looks like Mississippi finally got the internet. Welcome to the 21st century

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Looks like Mississippi finally got the internet. Welcome to the 21st century

Goodness. Lay off the personal attacks.

By the way, you've posted a couple times since I last responded. Still haven't read a single answer to any of my questions.

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Goodness. Lay off the personal attacks.

By the way, you've posted a couple times since I last responded. Still haven't read a single answer to any of my questions.

F off Kyle May

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

F off Kyle May

Just wanted to save that.