Alex Rodriguez Thinks He Is Entitled

[packs]

It has been explained at length that the only thing that factors into a number being retired is how the franchise and fans feel about the player.

But you choose to discuss stats and PEDs, which can impact how fans feel about a player, but do not actually represent credentials for retiring your number.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

It has been explained at length that the only thing that factors into a number being retired is how the franchise and fans feel about the player.

But you choose to discuss stats and PEDs, which can impact how fans feel about a player, but do not actually represent credentials for retiring your number.

How many average beloved players have had their number retired?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many average beloved players have had their number retired?

Andy Pettitte is a hint above average.

3 All Star appearances in 18 years, basically a 4.00 lifetime ERA. Eh.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Andy Pettitte is a hint above average.

3 All Star appearances in 18 years, basically a 4.00 lifetime ERA. Eh.

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah but 250 wins and all those postseasons, I hear you, but is there a better example of the "Packs rule"?

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston), Strawberry & Gooden (Mets) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

No, no average players no matter how beloved get their #'s retired.

Unless you count they were an average player, but then became a very good coach/manager, but just true average players no matter how beloved do not get their #'s retired.

If so the Cubs would have retired Buckner, DeJesus, Mark Grace, among others.

Gotta put up numbers.

But Pettite, maybe Michael Young (Texas), Jimmy Wynn (Houston) are among the weakest out there compared to the Greats of the game that have their #'s retired..

While of course there some intangibles, it seems to me stats are the foundation and the most important consideration.

[packs]

A lot of the Yankees have their number retired because of what they meant to the team. There are 23 numbers retired and 10 of them are not HOFers. One of the HOFers is Phil Rizzuto.

The Red Sox retired Johnny Pesky’s number.

The Angels retired Jim Fregosi’s number.

The Astros have retired 9 numbers of which 3 are HOFers.

The Guardians retired Mel Harder’s number.

There are other examples as well. It all depends on how you feel about sometimes all stars and whether you’re a fan of that team.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

A lot of the Yankees have their number retired because of what they meant to the team. There are 23 numbers retired and 10 of them are not HOFers. One of the HOFers is Phil Rizzuto.

The Red Sox retired Johnny Pesky’s number.

The Angels retired Jim Fregosi’s number.

The Astros have retired 9 numbers of which 3 are HOFers.

The Guardians retired Mel Harder’s number.

There are other examples as well. It all depends on how you feel about sometimes all stars and whether you’re a fan of that team.

True, but Pesky, Harder & Fregosi were all coaches/managers after their playing careers were over, so they stayed with their organization, so they didn't get their number retired by playing career only.

[ClementeFanOh]

1911- you and the facts have again parted company, you aren’t as level headed and unbiased as you claim. PEDs are one of a laundry list of reasons this tool isn’t getting what he craves. You’re wrong, it’s a cited reason but not the only reason. That’s the beauty of Arod- you can’t swing a stick without hitting a reason to dislike him. You 2 are alike in that regard. Try harder. Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

1911- you and the facts have again parted company, you aren’t as level headed and unbiased as you claim. PEDs are one of a laundry list of reasons this tool isn’t getting what he craves. You’re wrong, it’s a cited reason but not the only reason. That’s the beauty of Arod- you can’t swing a stick without hitting a reason to dislike him. You 2 are alike in that regard. Try harder. Trent King

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