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Old 03-18-2017, 01:00 PM
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Default SGC question...

I have no problem with the card getting this grade. However, this was my first time going through the mail and I haven't had one graded since they left NJ. I did not get any explanation of why it was stabbed 'A' like I have in the past.

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Is this new - no explanation of why it's an A?

Is calling to ask being a jerk and a hassle or is it ok to call? I have had a small number graded over the years.

Still, no matter what, it looks great in their holder and I love the card and I am happy it's home and authentic.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:21 PM
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I would call
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:23 PM
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Yeah, my guess would be trimmed. But you should ask SGC.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:19 PM
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I have no problem with the card getting this grade. However, this was my first time going through the mail and I haven't had one graded since they left NJ. I did not get any explanation of why it was stabbed 'A' like I have in the past.

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Is this new - no explanation of why it's an A?

Is calling to ask being a jerk and a hassle or is it ok to call? I have had a small number graded over the years.

Still, no matter what, it looks great in their holder and I love the card and I am happy it's home and authentic.
How is calling being a jerk? You paid for the submission/slab so I would think they at least owe you an answer.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:58 PM
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How is calling being a jerk? You paid for the submission/slab so I would think they at least owe you an answer.
I don't know - that's why I asked. I ha only ever dealt with them in person prior to this mailed submission and I am not ever going to be able to give them a ton of business.

By the way, does the flaw stand out to others?

I didn't think trimmed as it seems to measure correctly.l but another member thought it looked short...
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:14 PM
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I don't know - that's why I asked. I had only ever dealt with them in person prior to this mailed submission and I am not ever going to be able to give them a ton of business.

By the way, does the flaw stand out to others?

I didn't think trimmed as it seems to measure correctly.l but another member thought it looked short...
Like I mentioned, you chose them, paid them, so it's the least they can do, imo.

Sorry, I can't offer any opinions on your card. If not trimmed, it could have been recolored, or something else. Definitely call and inquire and please let us know what they tell you, even if they tell you nothing. (which I highly doubt)
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:55 AM
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First and foremost, thanks to those who weighed in - I truly appreciate it...

I just ended a very pleasant conversation with Mitch at SGC. The guy couldn't have been nicer and was able to provide me with a very descriptive answer as to why it received an 'A' designation. Here goes, in paraphrase form:

In the upper left of the card is a crease - it's there, it's faint and noticeable and there's also some light scratching in the area (again, faint but noticeable) but the card still looks very attractive. In that area, right below the NY on the cap, someone added color - most likely to cover the worst point of the crease and improve eye appeal. The color match was 'excellent' but the presence of the coloring agent gives it away and therefore it was picked up under close examination 'pretty easily'. Outside of that, it would have probably fallen into the VG-VG+ (3-3.5) range, though true grading stops once an alteration is found.


As for my reaction, I'm cool with it. I love the card and since I now know what's up with it I'm just happy that it is not trimmed. I can live with a dot of color added. That's also why I stay in the lower end of the grading system.

Thanks again
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Anyone else find it odd that some instances of added color only merit note as a (MK) qualifier while others reduce a card to 'A' status -- especially when, on purposely altered cards, the marks are usually less obtrusive than accidental markings? I guess it all depends on where the mark happens to be. If it's strategically placed in a matching color and is hard to see it's bad. If it's occurred randomly and easy to spot it's merely a footnote on the grade.

Not passing judgement of the legitimacy/acceptability of doctored OR marked cards, just that I find it to be sort of a double standard among TPGs that one form is OK while the other doesn't even merit a grade. They're both instances of foreign matter being applied to a card. It's as if the graders are assuming and grading the intent rather than the actual condition.
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As far as I know, altered cards submitted to SGC can't receive anything better than 'A'. If it's altered in any way (see prior posted link in this thread for the full list of alterations that will get a card rejected) it cannot receive a numerical grade. So at least with SGC, it seems to me that intent is actually not a factor. Altered should mean ungradeable, I'm my opinion.
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As far as I know, altered cards submitted to SGC can't receive anything better than 'A'. If it's altered in any way (see prior posted link in this thread for the full list of alterations that will get a card rejected) it cannot receive a numerical grade. So at least with SGC, it seems to me that intent is actually not a factor. Altered should mean ungradeable, I'm my opinion.
I'd have to research to find an example but I believe I have seen a prewar card with a stamp on the back in an SGC holder with a numerical grade. I don't have a problem with this, or in the case of a pen or pencil mark. As Leon mentioned I do see a distinction between a stray mark or stamp and recoloring or trimming to enhance a cards appearance.
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I'd have to research to find an example but I believe I have seen a prewar card with a stamp on the back in an SGC holder with a numerical grade. I don't have a problem with this, or in the case of a pen or pencil mark. As Leon mentioned I do see a distinction between a stray mark or stamp and recoloring or trimming to enhance a cards appearance.
I'd love to see it produced. As far as I know, that's not how SGC works.

Sometimes, a card can have a stray mark sneak through - anywhere. In addition, some sets with sloppy production value produce 'marked' cards that often have stray printing marks. Good luck finding a 1969 Topps Super Mays without the print spot. It does happen in other sets too. The printing of the Red Hearts resulted in many speckled cards. Around the name, team and position.

As for the stamp, I know some 'sets' were created by collectors, in a way. There's a guy on here who is pursuing a T206 set that has been hit with a personalized stamp on the back by their original owner (pretty darn good thread). He's got a bunch and wants them all. A set within the set, in a way. As such, perhaps PSA or SGC would be willing to work with a collector in that way. I'm not entirely sure.
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As you said, I think it comes down to motive. If the mark was added to in-color or make a card look better it will get an AUT. IF it is an errant/stray mark it will get an MK or a few grades (or more) lower at SGC. That is my experience. I don't really have a problem with it. Others might...

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Anyone else find it odd that some instances of added color only merit note as a (MK) qualifier while others reduce a card to 'A' status -- especially when, on purposely altered cards, the marks are usually less obtrusive than accidental markings? I guess it all depends on where the mark happens to be. If it's strategically placed in a matching color and is hard to see it's bad. If it's occurred randomly and easy to spot it's merely a footnote on the grade.

Not passing judgement of the legitimacy/acceptability of doctored OR marked cards, just that I find it to be sort of a double standard among TPGs that one form is OK while the other doesn't even merit a grade. They're both instances of foreign matter being applied to a card. It's as if the graders are assuming and grading the intent rather than the actual condition.
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