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Old 01-16-2017, 01:13 PM
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Default New ebay forgers angle , still forgeries but fly under the radar

ok so it maybe isnt new and folks do it , but give him a "A" for effort. take some joe sewells bill terry johnny mize that are real and mix in with a boat load of tougher semi commons who died awhile back , mostly under 100.00 guys, find vintage paper and fake away. i was fishing for some stuff and came upon the satchel paige, no good but kinda close , so then i usually look at other items , most of the time just a few other bad hofers , but this guy really got into bump hadley gabby street and did up some guys that will fly under the radar , sell them for 5- 49.00 , of course been collecting for over 40 years and all items lifetime psa or jsa warranty but just beware it aint just the big guys out here , but you throw in a paige and you get exposed , will try and post link i am not real sure how to do it user id is dipandjack

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Old 01-16-2017, 05:34 PM
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What did you think of the 'Lloyd Waner'? It looks like a penciled version of it underneath.
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Old 01-16-2017, 05:47 PM
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yeah it is just not waners signature but i didnt notice that pencil looking stuff on there , may have did it in pencil , then went over in pen faster. good catch , may be onto something there . would make it alot easier to forge that way , then go back and erase the slow pencil guidelines, at least it is a new one on me.
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Old 01-16-2017, 07:49 PM
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Fly under the radar and sell " bad " commons for which there are no " need " for references because they are so cheap and " who would forge such a cheap autograph " and mix in a common HOFer that is legit and you can make a ton of money . Why sell a bad Mantle , Ted Williams or Joe D for a few hundred dollars and get scrutinized when you can sell 30-40 bad signatures of common guys and you have made the same or more money with less aggravation and scrutiny.
Great business model !!!!
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Old 01-16-2017, 10:56 PM
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Kirk,
It's funny you mention this cause I just ran across this guys stuff about an hour ago. How about the Satchel Paige......... It's not often you get to see some forged 5$ autos.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:15 AM
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Kirk,
It's funny you mention this cause I just ran across this guys stuff about an hour ago. How about the Satchel Paige......... It's not often you get to see some forged 5$ autos.
yeah i came upon the paige , then when i saw it was bad clicked on other items but look at completed listings he had walter briggs , rather tough more like a 300.00 item gabby street joe judge , alot of guys that died in the 50`s and 60`s. good stuff but not something that will get you nabbed. most of them are only maybe 2 or 3 certed ones on ebay. mix in a bunch of easy hof 3x5`s , then move up to a fake lloyd waner , and just listed connie mack , paige etc, then he gets noticed, those other guys i would all buy but i dont search for them ever. it was just a funny pattern , but even if those guys were real, running them in a auction isnt likely to bring good money, well i guess it is real good money when you do them yourself. the pencil deal pointed out is interesting
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:45 AM
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Fly under the radar and sell " bad " commons for which there are no " need " for references because they are so cheap and " who would forge such a cheap autograph " and mix in a common HOFer that is legit and you can make a ton of money . Why sell a bad Mantle , Ted Williams or Joe D for a few hundred dollars and get scrutinized when you can sell 30-40 bad signatures of common guys and you have made the same or more money with less aggravation and scrutiny.
Great business model !!!!
See this all the time. They even forge $3-$5 autographed cards from guys that sign for free. I guess if you can sell a card for $5 that you normally couldn't give away that is pretty good profit.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:00 AM
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Hi Guys, my name is Adam Bonfiglio. I am the eBay user that you are discussing in this thread. This is obviously an uncomfortable situation, but I felt it would be best to tell things from my perspective, rather than hide and not say anything. First and foremost, I am a collector first. I have been collecting since February of 1976. I have the upmost respect for the hobby and other collectors who share the enjoyment. I have been selling items on eBay, shows and through mailing lists for over 20 years to supplement my collection. I have 26,241 baseball autographs in my collection. 8893 different players. That does not include umpires, execs, AAGPBL, broadcasters, etc.
I do not sell any autographs that I do not already have in my collection. I buy collections of any size and individual autographs and have been doing so for years. I look to upgrade those of lesser quality and then sell the placeholder. Look, I know as well as you do that there are literally thousands of fake autographs on eBay and throughout the hobby. The facts are well documented. However, I would NEVER intentionally list an item that I thought was fake! I have purchased items, even a few with fancy PSA and JSA LOA's, that have been found to be not authentic. I don't like when that happens to me, so I certainly wouldn't do that to others. There is no doubt that some of the items I have listed may not be real, but not to my knowledge. I'm sure there are many fakes that are offered by many other respected sellers as well! Unfortunately, that's just the nature of the hobby. Maybe I don't take the time that I should to examine the autographs more thoroughly, (Incidentally, the Waner autograph has been removed from my listing),but to suggest that I am forging the autographs is very upsetting.
I have a good job, with benefits. I have a wonderful wife and 2 beautiful boys. I am an honest, hard-working, middle-class citizen. I don't need extra money. My life is good. I simply enjoy the hobby.
I don't want to sound defensive, but I wanted to tell things from my end. I wish there was something I could do or say to prove all of this to you. I'm open to suggestions. I don't want you to think that this is all BS. I know eBay seller rating doesn't necessarily mean much, but it is 100%. I have a great deal of friends that I have made through the hobby that can vouch for my credibility. If you'd like to call me to discuss this further, please feel free to do so. 862 881-0309.
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Adam
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:38 AM
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"There is no doubt that some of the items I have listed may not be real"

If this is the case, then why not state this in the auction description? Let people know that you're not personally any kind of autograph expert, and there is a chance that the autograph is fake. Now, I would agree that you don't HAVE to do this, but if you're so concerned about your reputation, then what would it hurt?
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:11 AM
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Just my two cents, I once bought a Musial from Adam that was real (albeit under a different ebay handle, adababy5). A different time I bought a Harry Caray that in my hands was pretty obviously fake and got rejected by JSA. Adam refunded my money (but not the JSA fee). That having been said I highly doubt Adam is forging them himself - I was on a mailing list of his for a while and just the sheer volume he has would take him too long to do. But, I'm sure fakes slip in and it doesn't seem like they're vetted properly.

Not defending either side here, just giving some perspective as someone who dealt with the person in the past.

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