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Old 02-05-2018, 07:59 PM
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was wondering the same last night, as well as looking for an answer today .... not sure that will ever come
I can only surmise he pissed off Bill for something probably not directly football-related. Bill can be a dinosaur that way.
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Old 02-06-2018, 11:56 AM
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It was pretty ridiculous to sit him the entire game. That was all coaches ego. Fine him. Don't start him or even bench him for an entire half if you think you need to make a point, but when your D is getting torched and at least one DB is banged up in the second half of an "all hands on deck" game you really have no excuse for not letting Butler play. That's all on Belichick.

I am no doubt biased against New England, but my view is St. William is living on past laurels. Sure he's better than most, but this notion that he's at a whole nother level is bunk. For the most part he gets to cruise through a perennially weak division (although slightly better this year). He should have lost the SB to Seattle, where he mismanaged the clock horribly at the end. He should have lost last year to Atl, and got bailed out by the most monumental collapse in SB history. Now this Butler stupidity. The coach's job is to put his team in the best position to win, and he did a lousy job of it in Minneapolis. Only the even worse 4th qtr. coaching of two offensive coordinators the preceding two Super Bowls has kept the Pats from dropping their last three. IMO, being "better" because the other guys' coach choked worse than you isn't saying much.
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All plays don't count when the game is winding down and you need to prevent the Patriots from scoring. Only those plays count if you're going to win the game.
all plays count. If eagles dont convert one of those 4th downs, the Eagles defense would of needed to be 'retooled'

Plus if eagles dont give up 30 plus points then they wouldnt of needed a late 'stop'. Still if patriots had more than 3 minutes in the 4th q left and werent forced to pass every down, given that they never punted, they would of scored again.

So the only reason the Eagles got a late 'stop' was cause of the Eagle offense putting them in that great position...eagles defense gets no more credit than the patriots defense..
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The absolute beauty of this game was the aggressiveness/confidence in his team of Eagles Head Coach Doug Pederson. Going for it on 4th down near the end zone (resulting in that trick play for a TD) and then late in the 4th quarter going for it again on 4th down while still on their own side of the field was magnificently beautiful!!!! Virtually every single team in similar situations during the playoffs would have immediately opted for the FG attempt and then a punt, but not the Iggles. They knew what they needed to do to stand a chance against the Pats, and went for it. I am ridiculously impressed. That's why they pulled it out, a belief in their team.

Now if the eagles punted on that last 4th down and the the Eagles Defense got a Stop there......then i would credit the eagles defense for something...but of course the eagles defense could not be trusted.

yet the eagles have a championship defense and everyone is saying how the patriot defense has to be retooled when they both played the same terrible game. The patriots actually forced a punt at least.....both teams got 1 turnover..
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all plays count. If eagles dont convert one of those 4th downs, the Eagles defense would of needed to be 'retooled'

Plus if eagles dont give up 30 plus points then they wouldnt of needed a late 'stop'. Still if patriots had more than 3 minutes in the 4th q left and werent forced to pass every down, given that they never punted, they would of scored again.

So the only reason the Eagles got a late 'stop' was cause of the Eagle offense putting them in that great position...eagles defense gets no more credit than the patriots defense..
That's just not true. Nothing that happened before that fumble influenced that fumble. The fumble happened when it did independent of anything else in the game.
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Old 02-06-2018, 03:22 PM
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It was pretty ridiculous to sit him the entire game. That was all coaches ego. Fine him. Don't start him or even bench him for an entire half if you think you need to make a point, but when your D is getting torched and at least one DB is banged up in the second half of an "all hands on deck" game you really have no excuse for not letting Butler play. That's all on Belichick.

I am no doubt biased against New England, but my view is St. William is living on past laurels. Sure he's better than most, but this notion that he's at a whole nother level is bunk. For the most part he gets to cruise through a perennially weak division (although slightly better this year). He should have lost the SB to Seattle, where he mismanaged the clock horribly at the end. He should have lost last year to Atl, and got bailed out by the most monumental collapse in SB history. Now this Butler stupidity. The coach's job is to put his team in the best position to win, and he did a lousy job of it in Minneapolis. Only the even worse 4th qtr. coaching of two offensive coordinators the preceding two Super Bowls has kept the Pats from dropping their last three. IMO, being "better" because the other guys' coach choked worse than you isn't saying much.
What bothered me more than Butler was the lack of any creativity on the defensive side of the ball. Bill is known for disrupting quarterbacks with his schemes. He had a perfect opportunity with Foles, who for all his recent accomplishments is not an elite QB and had to be nervous. But the Pats just handed them short to medium range passes the whole night, and to make it worse gave up lots of yardage after the catch. You could see Foles' confidence rise as it became clear he could throw those passes at will.
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<<Quote: Originally Posted by JollyElm
The absolute beauty of this game was the aggressiveness/confidence in his team of Eagles Head Coach Doug Pederson. Going for it on 4th down near the end zone (resulting in that trick play for a TD) and then late in the 4th quarter going for it again on 4th down while still on their own side of the field was magnificently beautiful!!!! Virtually every single team in similar situations during the playoffs would have immediately opted for the FG attempt and then a punt, but not the Iggles. They knew what they needed to do to stand a chance against the Pats, and went for it. I am ridiculously impressed. That's why they pulled it out, a belief in their team.>>

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Now if the eagles punted on that last 4th down and the the Eagles Defense got a Stop there......then i would credit the eagles defense for something...but of course the eagles defense could not be trusted.

yet the eagles have a championship defense and everyone is saying how the patriot defense has to be retooled when they both played the same terrible game. The patriots actually forced a punt at least.....both teams got 1 turnover..
Huh???? What in heck are you talking about?????? Nowhere in my post did I even mention defense once. NOT ONCE. So again, WTF are you talking about?????????????
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<<Quote: Originally Posted by JollyElm
The absolute beauty of this game was the aggressiveness/confidence in his team of Eagles Head Coach Doug Pederson. Going for it on 4th down near the end zone (resulting in that trick play for a TD) and then late in the 4th quarter going for it again on 4th down while still on their own side of the field was magnificently beautiful!!!! Virtually every single team in similar situations during the playoffs would have immediately opted for the FG attempt and then a punt, but not the Iggles. They knew what they needed to do to stand a chance against the Pats, and went for it. I am ridiculously impressed. That's why they pulled it out, a belief in their team.>>



Huh???? What in heck are you talking about?????? Nowhere in my post did I even mention defense once. NOT ONCE. So again, WTF are you talking about?????????????

Right i am showing how it was all offense and not defense. I guess i could of added another quote as well from Packs..but didn't.

I also didn't put a lot of ?????????? so wtf are you talking about....
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That's just not true. Nothing that happened before that fumble influenced that fumble. The fumble happened when it did independent of anything else in the game.

wrong again. What happened before did influence the fumble.

Its not a stretch to say what happened before impacts the next possession. If the eagles are only up by 3 or less, theres no sack fumble as the Patriots would of had a ton more time to use as they would of needed only a fg. The eagles offense caused the patriots to need more than a fg.

Teams with the ball needing a td going the full length of the field with under 2 minutes have a greater chance to turn the ball over than teams that don't. Thus what happened before, caused that situation that was more ripe for a sack fumble or int etc.

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