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Old 08-02-2018, 07:35 PM
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Not a good look for the hobby, the National or TriStar. Why do they lease him a table/booth? Yes, I'm sure the answer is $$$ but are they that desperate?
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:59 PM
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I'm not trying to defend the crook, I'm just interested in the legal question.

According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items."

You also have the fact that real Jordan autographs don't cost only $40.

I'm curious as to how law enforcement is going to prove that his buyers were deceived. To prove fraud, you have to prove that his buyers were misled by material misrepresentations.

Maybe I'm missing some important details?
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:11 PM
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He did NOT have "Decorative Items" anywhere, he was selling these as legit. I didn't actually talk to him (wasn't even aware that was who he was until Les Wolff told me.) But the forgeries were obvious even without the prices and volume of material.

This will always be the lasting memory of the 2018 National to me: I asked this customer next to me, who was buying a pile of items:
"Is he selling these as repros or something?"
No, they're real.
"He's selling Mantle 8x10 for $30 and you think they're real??"
I was wondering that too, but you've got to hear his stories, they're legit.
"No they're not, they're forgeries!!"
Do you think they'd actually let someone into the National who was selling forgeries?"

God Bless stupid people!!
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:34 PM
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I'm not trying to defend the crook, I'm just interested in the legal question.

According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items."

You also have the fact that real Jordan autographs don't cost only $40.

I'm curious as to how law enforcement is going to prove that his buyers were deceived. To prove fraud, you have to prove that his buyers were misled by material misrepresentations.

Maybe I'm missing some important details?

https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...1155035&page=1
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:18 PM
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He did NOT have "Decorative Items" anywhere, he was selling these as legit. I didn't actually talk to him (wasn't even aware that was who he was until Les Wolff told me.) But the forgeries were obvious even without the prices and volume of material.

This will always be the lasting memory of the 2018 National to me: I asked this customer next to me, who was buying a pile of items:
"Is he selling these as repros or something?"
No, they're real.
"He's selling Mantle 8x10 for $30 and you think they're real??"
I was wondering that too, but you've got to hear his stories, they're legit.
"No they're not, they're forgeries!!"
Do you think they'd actually let someone into the National who was selling forgeries?"

God Bless stupid people!!
I should pull back a bit, I did not SEE that sign, or any other stating these were decorative items, but it definitely wasn't displayed on the side I was standing, nor was he telling people they were decorative.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:45 PM
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According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items."
To clarify, he displayed the “decorative items” sign last year. I asked if he did the same this year.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:29 AM
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To clarify, he displayed the “decorative items” sign last year. I asked if he did the same this year.
My opinion, doesn't matter if there was a "Decorative Items" sign posted. We know his customers are mainly buying to resell as authentic, if you believe the other previous posts. . People like this are a scourge on this hobby and hopefully they get the punishment they deserve...
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Old 08-03-2018, 08:30 AM
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This story does not name the vendor, but I assume it is the same matter we are discussing here.

Vendor accused of trying to sell phony autographs at popular sports convention in Cleveland

https://fox8.com/2018/08/02/vendor-a...-in-cleveland/
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As many of us here know he has a ton of the stuff. If all they did was confiscate his crap then he will just continue operating as always.
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:57 AM
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Well at least the Cleveland Police did there job. Unlike the FBI who has had this information for the last 10 years and have done nothing with it.
I also believe that you can not call autographs decorative items. I think you have to say reprints.
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