Rare cards of Jewish players

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Posted By: Alan

For these super rare cards of these Jewish players, I'm curious do we know how many (graded or ungraded) cards of each of these exist ?????

Moe Berg - 1929 Portraits and Action R316
Sammy Bohne - exhibit PC back card
Andy Cohen - 1933 Worch Cigar Minors
Sid Cohen - 1928 Zeenuts 128
Phil Cooney - 1909-11 Obak T212
Barney Dreyfuss - 1910 Tip Top Bread
Izzy Goldstein - 1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border
Levy - 1888 SF Hess
Moxie Manuel - 1910 Old Mill T210 547
Ed Mensor - 1913 Pirates Voskamps
Solly Mishkin - Zeenut
Barney Pelty - 1903-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
Guy Zinn - 1914 Baltimore Orioles News


Thanks.
Alan

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Posted By: Matt

Outside of checking the PSA and SGC population reports, I'm not sure how else you would know.
Oy Vey...

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Posted By: Max Weder

Alan

While Cooney may be in high demand, I wouldn't say he's rare. Even in my limitd Obak experience, I have seen many of his cards offered on ebay. Perhaps others with greater exposure to Obaks can confirm

Max

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Posted By: Jay

What happened to Stephen Behel in the Old Judge set? Was he posthumously converted to Catholicism? BTW, Levy is also in the Old Judge set and is still scarcer there.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Alan- one of the collectors who posts on this board has an 1873 CdV of Lipman Pike, and it is almost certainly unique. Now that's a rare card. He is in full uniform as a member of Baltimore.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jay- there's always been a question whether Behel was in fact Jewish. And what about Chief Roseman (okay, I admit I don't have too many Jewish friends named Chief)?

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Posted By: Jay

Barry--The thing I don't understand is how you can determine the religion of these players when for some you don't even know their first names. Fischer on the Maroons is one example--no first name known, sounds Jewish to me.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I know- lots of players sound Jewish, such as T206's Meyers and Zimmerman. But they're not. I think many early players would have hidden that fact, so I don't believe we know with certainty who all of them were.

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Posted By: Bob

Agree with Max. The 1910 and 1911 Obak Cooneys are available in the same numbers as the other cards in the set but you have to pay a premium for a nice one.

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Posted By: Bob

Add the T207 Pelty for a very tough Jewish player and the P2 Sweet cap pin of Pelty is also no walk in the park.

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Posted By: leon

Fischer was circumcised therefore it is very possible he was Jewish. I went to his Bar Mitzvah too.....

I also heard there is skepticism about Behel being Jewish....Didn't Rich Klein know something about that?

This might be my scarcest Jewish player card....from good ole Tik.....several years ago at a National.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

A few years ago I won a lot of a dozen or so ZeeNuts on eBay. I immediately paid for the auction. The next day I get an email from a fellow up north, New York I think. He was desperate to have the 1928 Sid Cohen ZeeNut that was in the lot. He said name a price. I told him I'd like to wait until I got them, before I sold one. He emailed back saying he and his son were close to completing ZeeNuts, this Cohen was one of the few he lacked, and he'd pay $100 for it. It had typical wear...

I emailed a couple of collectors who I thought knew more about ZeeNuts than I, and they both thought it not a rare card, that Cohen was Jewish, but not a rarity. So I emailed the guy and said I'd sell, $100 instantly appeared in my Paypal account. And I sent the card out the same day.

My recollection is that I scanned the card before I mailed it. I'll post that if I find it.

Frank.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Johnny Kling T206, wasn't he Jewish?

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Posted By: Alan

Frank - I'd like to see that scan of the Cohen zeenut. Thanks.

There is ongoing debate as to whether or not Johnny Kling was Jewish. The "Jewish experts" are disagreeing. Sort of like the argument about what grading company is the best

Alan

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

1928 ZeeNut, Sid Cohen. Dug around and found my old disk of card images...





So is it a difficult card to locate?

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Posted By: Mark Evans

I'm not sure whether these "bad boys" belong on Alan's list but I found them tough:

1924 Diaz Cigarettes Weinert
1936 WWG Weintraub

And, perhaps not quite as tough:

1931-32 4-on-1 with Goldman
1937 4-on-1 with Weintraub
T204 Pelty
Tattoo Orbit Levey

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Posted By: boxingcardman

I am not so sure that the cards named all are rarer per se than the others in the issues but some of those issues are very tough and the Jewish players are especially in demand so they tend not to leave collections very often once they are picked up. That may account for a perception of extra scarcity in regard to cards that are not known to have been short printed or otherwise limited in their distribution.

My Solly Mishkin, for example, ain't going anywhere soon.

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Posted By: Mark Evans

The only card I have on Alan's list is Dreyfuss (SGC 30) and I expect him to be staring out from my curio cabinet for the duration. Mark

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

A couple Jewish guys...

-Rhett

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Posted By: Jay

Rhett--Cooney does not sound Jewish to me. Perhaps a member of one of the lost tribes of Israel.

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Posted By: Alan

Great !!! Thank you both for those scans !!! To all - Lets see some more images of cards of rare Jewish players !!!

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Posted By: William Brumbach

"Rhett--Cooney does not sound Jewish to me. Perhaps a member of one of the lost tribes of Israel."

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Benny Kauf strip card, 1927 Zeenut Jimmy Reese, boxers Abe Simon and Art Lasky.

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Posted By: David Smith

I have shown this card a couple of times before. My collection isn't as large or as valuable as a LOT of people's on this board but this is the one card that I am proud of because it is from a fairly rare set and was uncatalogued until a few years ago.

David

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Posted By: Paul

You should be able to find the R316 Berg on ebay a few times a year. I don't think it is particularly rare, though it is fairly popular.

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Posted By: shelly jaffe

Jewish Baseball Players
In Alphabetical Order

Player Name
Debut
Position
Notes

Cal Abrams
04-20-1949
OF


Lloyd Allen
09-01-1969
P
Converted to Judaism

Ruben Amaro
06-08-1991
OF
Jewish Mother

Morrie Arnovich
09-14-1936
OF


Brad Ausmus
07-28-1993
C
Jewish Mother

Jesse Baker
09-14-1919
SS


Brian Bark
07-06-1995
P


Ross Baumgarten
08-16-1978
P


Jose Bautista
04-09-1988
P
Jewish Mother

Joe Bennett
07-05-1923
3B


Moe Berg
06-27-1923
C


Bob Berman
06-04-1918
C


Cy Block
09-07-1942
3B


Ron Blomberg
09-10-1969
DH


Sam Bohne
09-09-1916
2B


Henry Bostick
05-18-1915
3B


Lou Boudreau
09-09-1938
SS
Jewish Mother

Ryan Braun
05-25-2007
3B


Craig Breslow
07-23-2005
P


Louis Brower
06-13-1931
SS


Conrad Cardinal
04-11-1963
P


Harry Chozen
09-21-1937
C


Tony Cogan
04-02-2001
P

Alta Cohen
04-15-1931
OF


Andy Cohen
06-06-1926
2B


Hy Cohen
04-17-1955
P


Syd Cohen
09-18-1934
P


Dick Conger
04-22-1940
P


Phil Cooney
09-27-1905
3B


Ed Corey
07-02-1918
P


Bill Cristall
09-03-1901
P


Harry Danning
07-30-1933
C


Ike Danning
09-21-1928
C


Harry Eisenstat
05-19-1935
P


Mike Epstein
09-16-1966
1B


Reuben Ewing
06-21-1921
SS


Al Federoff
09-27-1951
2B


Eddie Feinberg
09-11-1938
SS


Harry Feldman
09-10-1941
P


Leo Fishel
05-03-1899
P


Matt Ford
04-02-2003
P


Happy Foreman
09-03-1924
P


Micah Franklin
05-13-1997
OF
Jewish Mother

Moe Franklin
08-12-1941
SS


Milt Galatzer
06-25-1933
OF


Mark Gilbert
07-21-1985
OF


Joe Ginsberg
09-15-1948
C


Keith Glauber
09-08-1998
P


Jonah Goldman
09-22-1928
SS


Izzy Goldstein
04-24-1932
P


Jake Goodman
05-02-1878
1B


Greg Goossen
09-03-1965
1B
Jewish Father

Sid Gordon
09-11-1941
OF


Herb Gorman
04-19-1952
OF


John Grabow
09-14-2003
P


Shawn Green
09-28-1993
OF


Adam Greenberg
07-07-2005
OF


Hank Greenberg
09-14-1930
1B


Eric Helfand
09-04-1993
C


Steve Hertz
04-21-1964
3B


Jason Hirsh
08-12-2006
P


Ken Holtzman
09-04-1965
P


Joe Horlen
09-04-1961
P
Converted to Judaism

Skip Jutze
09-01-1972
C
Jewish Father

Harry Kane
08-08-1902
P


Gabe Kapler
09-20-1998
OF


Herb Karpel
04-19-1946
P


Alan Koch
07-26-1963
P


Brian Kowitz
06-04-1995
OF


Sandy Koufax
06-24-1955
P


Barry Latman
09-10-1957
P


Jim Levey
09-17-1930
SS


Alan Levine
06-22-1996
P


Jesse Levis
04-24-1992
C


Mike Lieberthal
06-30-1994
C
Jewish Father

Lou Limmer
04-22-1951
1B


Andrew Lorraine
07-17-1994
P


Elliott Maddox
04-07-1970
OF
Converted to Judaism

Cy Malis
08-17-1934
P


Moxie Manuel
09-25-1905
P


Duke Markell
09-06-1951
P


Jason Marquis
06-06-2000
P


Ed Mayer
09-15-1957
P


Erskine Mayer
09-04-1912
P
Jewish Father

Sam Mayer
09-14-1915
OF


Ed Mensor
07-05-1905
P


Mike Milchin
05-14-1996
P
Jewish Father

Norm Miller
09-11-1965
OF


Buddy Myer
09-26-1925
2B


Sam Nahem
10-02-1938
P


David Newhan
06-04-1999
2B


Jeff Newman
06-30-1976
C
Converted to Judaism

Barney Pelty
08-20-1903
P


Jay Pike
08-27-1877
OF


Lip Pike
05-09-1876
OF


Jake Pitler
05-30-1917
2B


Scott Radinsky
04-09-1990
P
Jewish Mother

Steve Ratzer
10-05-1980
P


Jimmy Reese
04-19-1930
2B


Al Richter
09-23-1951
SS


Dave Roberts
07-06-1969
P
Jewish Father

Saul Rogovin
04-28-1949
P


Al Rosen
09-10-1947
3B


Goody Rosen
09-14-1937
OF


Harry Rosenberg
07-15-1930
OF


Lou Rosenberg
05-22-1923
2B


Steve Rosenberg
06-04-1988
P


Max Rosenfeld
04-21-1931
OF


Si Rosenthal
09-08-1925
OF


Wayne Rosenthal
06-26-1991
P


Marv Rotblatt
07-04-1948
P


Larry Rothschild
09-11-1981
P


Mickey Rutner
09-11-1947
3B


Mike Saipe
06-25-1998
P


Ike Samuels
08-03-1895
3B


Roger Samuels
07-20-1988
P


Moe Savransky
04-23-1954
P


Al Schacht
09-18-1919
P


Sid Schacht
04-23-1950
P


Hal Schacker
05-09-1945
P


Heinie Scheer
04-20-1922
2B


Richie Scheinblum
09-01-1965
OF


Mike Schemer
08-08-1945
1B


Scott Schoeneweis
04-07-1999
P
Jewish Mother

Bill Schwarz
08-13-1914
C


Art Shamsky
04-17-1965
OF


Dick Sharon
05-13-1973
OF
Jewish Father

Larry Sherry
04-17-1958
P


Norm Sherry
04-12-1959
C


Harry Shuman
09-14-1942
P


Al Silvera
06-12-1955
OF


Fred Sington
09-23-1934
OF


Mose Solomon
09-30-1923
OF


Bill Starr
08-23-1935
C


Jeff Stember
08-05-1980
P


Adam Stern
07-07-2005
OF


Steve Stone
04-08-1971
P


Bud Swartz
07-12-1947
P


Don Taussig
04-23-1958
OF


Bob Tufts
08-10-1981
P
Converted to Judaism

Eddie Turchin
05-09-1943
3B


Steve Wapnick
04-14-1990
P


Justin Wayne
09-03-2002
P


Phil Weintraub
09-05-1933
1B


Ed Wineapple
09-15-1929
P


Steve Yeager
08-02-1972
C
Converted to Judaism

Larry Yellen
09-26-1963
P


Kevin Youkilis
05-15-2004
3B


Guy Zinn
09-11-1911
OF

Eddie Zosky
09-02-1991
SS
Jewish Mother

Player Name
Debut
Position
Notes

Jewish Baseball Players