Thoughts on Kaepernick & the national anthem

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The referee heard it (he threw the flag), Lamarr Houston confirmed to the Chicago Tribune that he said it, and the NFL fined him for it...which was upheld even after Kaepernick's appeal.

"The referee heard it" - yeah, like refs are never wrong, right?

"Lamarr Houston confirmed to the Chicago Tribune that he said it" - yeah, "After Colin Kaepernick was penalized for using “inappropriate language” in a loss to the Bears on Sept. 14, Chicago defensive end Lamarr Houston said he didn’t hear the 49ers’ quarterback say anything to him." http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/...ck-5775952.php He changed his story later.

"the NFL fined him for it" - yeah, now you're either being willfully ignorant by ignoring the original article I linked to or you're lying. Here's a line from the article - "Colin Kaepernick was still fined by the NFL despite the league admitting the quarterback didn't use a racial slur, and no one is quite sure why." Do you see that? The NFL admits the quarterback didn't use a racial slur. And yet you come back with "the NFL fined him for it." A blatant lie.

So you have CK who says he didn't use a racial slur, the ref who says CK did, and LH who said CK didn't say anything and then changed that to CK did use a racial slur, a tape that shows CK saying something like "Get the f--- back," many other people around the incident who are never quoted in any article that I've seen confirming that CK used a racial slur, and lastly, the NFL admitting that CK didn't use a racial slur. And you want to stick with CK used a racial slur and the NFL fined him for it?

Please, continue on without me and don't let the facts get in the way of your witch hunt.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

"the NFL fined him for it" - yeah, now you're either being willfully ignorant by ignoring the original article I linked to or you're lying. Here's a line from the article - "Colin Kaepernick was still fined by the NFL despite the league admitting the quarterback didn't use a racial slur, and no one is quite sure why." Do you see that? The NFL admits the quarterback didn't use a racial slur. And yet you come back with "the NFL fined him for it." A blatant lie.

I was willing to let this go, but since someone else bumped the thread, I'm going to clear something up.

You call me ignorant and a liar? Look here, you stupid jackass. Kaepernick was fined $11,000 by the NFL for using a racial slur. It went to arbitration. The arbitrator, Ted Cottrell, reduced the original fine to $5512 stating it was a "clear violation of the rule". So, jackass, if he wasn't fined for using a racial slur, what was he fined for then???? Answer that!

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I was willing to let this go, but since someone else bumped the thread, I'm going to clear something up.

You call me ignorant and a liar? Look here, you stupid jackass. Kaepernick was fined $11,000 by the NFL for using a racial slur. It went to arbitration. The arbitrator, Ted Cottrell, reduced the original fine to $5512 stating it was a "clear violation of the rule". So, jackass, if he wasn't fined for using a racial slur, what was he fined for then???? Answer that!

He was fined for saying F***.

The arbitrator found that there was no evidence to suggest he used a racial slur, but he still did curse. So the fine was reduced to the minimum since rules were technically broken.

I'm sure you knew that since you read the article.

Either way, he is protesting the imprisonment, beating and murder of over one hundred thousand American citizens who did not commit a single crime.

A cause I'm sure every American can support.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

He was fined for saying F***.

The arbitrator found that there was no evidence to suggest he used a racial slur, but he still did curse. So the fine was reduced to the minimum since rules were technically broken.

I'm sure you knew that since you read the article.

Either way, he is protesting the imprisonment, beating and murder of over one hundred thousand American citizens who did not commit a single crime.

A cause I'm sure every American can support.

Actually, no, I didn't read the article. I'm not going to read some bias trash.

The NFL fined Kaepernick for using a racial slur (that the referee heard and Houston confirmed) and it was upheld (but reduced) by an arbitrator.

But I'll take the bait, Jason. Where is the proof that he used the "F" word? Link to video?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Actually, no, I didn't read the article. I'm not going to read some bias trash.

The NFL fined Kaepernick for using a racial slur (that the referee heard and Houston confirmed) and it was upheld (but reduced) by an arbitrator.

But I'll take the bait, Jason. Where is the proof that he used the "F" word? Link to video?

They link the video in the article (strong language obviously). Along with the arbitrators ruling, the unions response and the excerpt from the NFL rule book that enforces the fine (despite no slur being used).

On a completely unrelated note: I define a man as "willfully ignorant" when he chooses to argue a point, is provided evidence that proves his point wrong, then willfully ignores that evidence and continues with his original argument.

Further, when an American man peacefully protests the imprisonment, beating and murder of over one hundred thousand American citizens by their sworn protectors despite not committing any crime, I support him.

It's a cause every American can get behind.


http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/10/...fl-nflpa-49ers

[1952boyntoncollector]

I like what South Park did...just announce on the PA... " to honor America, please stand, sit or kneel"

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

They link the video in the article (strong language obviously).

I looked at the article. I really don't see a video. Can you link it here?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I looked at the article. I really don't see a video. Can you link it here?

It's embedded into the article. I can link the article for you again...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Further, when an American man peacefully protests the imprisonment, beating and murder of over one hundred thousand American citizens by their sworn protectors despite not committing any crime, I support him.

Personally, I'm more sincerely interested in the source of this stat.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by tschock

Personally, I'm more sincerely interested in the source of this stat.

Of course:

It looks like there may have been over 100,000 in Baltimore alone since 2011: DOJ Investigation of Baltimore PD

Sections 3: BPD Makes Unconstitutional Arrests (page 34):

10,163 arrests were made that were immediately rejected at the station because they were made without merit.

Section 3, part C: BPD Unlawfully Detains Individuals (page 39)

"Local prosecutors described this practice to Justice Department officials as BPD officers making arrests without probable cause on the street, then hours later deciding to “unarrest” when detention and questioning failed to uncover additional evidence. Our review of BPD documents confirmed that BPD uses these unlawful detentions."

They do not have an official count of instances this happens (since not documented), but the DOJ estimates there were approximately 420,000 stops per year, compared to the actually reported BPD figure of 124,000. (Page 25) The DOJ (reasonably) believes that the unrecorded 300,000 stops (in 2014 alone) went unrecorded because they would not have met the constitutional requirement of reasonable suspicion (or charges would've been filed or the stop would've been recorded). Many (if not most) would fall under this unlawful detainment.

Keep in mind that this is just Baltimore.


There have been formal investigations into almost every major police department - I used Baltimore as an example because it is the most recent.

A summary of the number of times the DOJ has investigated police departments: Link

These aren't criminals committing crimes and getting arrested, these are innocent American citizens who are getting detained and formally arrested without cause. The DOJ also discusses unreasonable force on innocent civilians (page 74) and even gets into the BPD practice of "rough riding" (page 112).

I think every American can agree that unlawful arrests and beatings of hundreds of thousands of American citizens is a cause worth protesting.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I was willing to let this go, but since someone else bumped the thread, I'm going to clear something up.

You call me ignorant and a liar? Look here, you stupid jackass. Kaepernick was fined $11,000 by the NFL for using a racial slur. It went to arbitration. The arbitrator, Ted Cottrell, reduced the original fine to $5512 stating it was a "clear violation of the rule". So, jackass, if he wasn't fined for using a racial slur, what was he fined for then???? Answer that!

No, I said you were either being willfully ignorant by not reading the article I linked to or lying, not both. Do you know what the difference is between "or" and "and?"

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Actually, no, I didn't read the article. I'm not going to read some bias trash.

And now you admit you were being willfully ignorant. Thanks for clearing that up.

In regards to "Answer that!" - why? Firstly, it was answered in the link. Secondly, you've already proven that you want to keep your head buried in the sand and remain ignorant to any facts that do not comport to your preconceived notions since these facts are "some bias trash," so why waste my time providing you more answers?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

No, I said you were either being willfully ignorant by not reading the article I linked to or lying, not both. Do you know what the difference is between "or" and "and?"



And now you admit you were being willfully ignorant. Thanks for clearing that up.

In regards to "Answer that!" - why? Firstly, it was answered in the link. Secondly, you've already proven that you want to keep your head buried in the sand and remain ignorant to any facts that do not comport to your preconceived notions since these facts are "some bias trash," so why waste my time providing you more answers?

I don't have to read your stupid article. The referee heard it, Houston confirmed that he said it, he was fined for it and, on top of all that, Kaepernick is on video lying about it.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Let's look at the most recent shooting in Charlotte. That guy had a gun (witnesses saw it), he was ordered to drop it (witnesses heard the commands), he refused to comply and he was shot...by a black officer. So why are the blacks protesting when the facts are clear in this matter? What do they have to protest? It was a clear case of FTC and he was justifiably shot dead. Is this why Kaepernick is refusing to stand for the national anthem? Because an armed black man was ordered to put down his weapon, failed to do so and was shot for it?

Thank you to the Charlotte police department for taking that POS off the street. Keep up the good work!!!

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Let's look at the most recent shooting in Charlotte. That guy had a gun (witnesses saw it), he was ordered to drop it (witnesses heard the commands), he refused to comply and he was shot...by a black officer. So why are the blacks protesting when the facts are clear in this matter? What do they have to protest? It was a clear case of FTC and he was justifiably shot dead. Is this why Kaepernick is refusing to stand for the national anthem? Because an armed black man was ordered to put down his weapon, failed to do so and was shot for it?

Thank you to the Charlotte police department for taking that POS off the street. Keep up the good work!!!

Apparantly dash cam video shows the guy with a gun, im sure it will b released soon

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Apparantly dash cam video shows the guy with a gun, im sure it will b released soon

That's just it though. It doesn't matter what the dash cam shows, blacks are going to ignore the facts and protest irregardless.