1989 fleer Randy Johnson

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Easy way to avoid that problem is to ignore what PSA minions thinks about the variants of this card.

^^+1^^ Also with there being a half dozen or more green tint versions their "green tint" label is meaningless anyway.

[Hatorade]

Being a buyer aware of some of the intricacies with these cards, the mislabeling has worked out very well for me, but I think for the long term value of the cards, more consistency from PSA would really help. Having them put 4 different descriptions on the same card or very similar looking cards makes it tough to determine what the actual variations are worth. The situation where PSA labels a common card with a large green print dot "marlboro sign tinted green" and then the card sells for several hundred dollars has to lead to some unhappy collectors eventually. I think I saved an image of the card on my phone and will post it.

[ALR-bishop]

As Darren has pointed out PSA and many dealers, still have problems distinguishing between the regular and green tint 1962s.

Unless graders have several examples of the various versions of the card in front of them I am not sure how they would ever accurately identify a particular card with so many apparent nuances. My guess is that there is not even total agreement among Randy And Billy collectors on how many different versions of those cards exist, and how many fakes.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

My guess is that there is not even total agreement among Randy And Billy collectors on how many different versions of those cards exist, and how many fakes.

That's not a guess Al, that is fact. I have silly large collections of both and I know people with even better collections of Billy than mine. As a group we never agree.

[Hatorade]

https://flic.kr/p/WBcZqJ

They way Fleer produced the Marlboro cards it does make it tough to distinguish between some of them, but with PSA applying the green tint labeling of the common card pictured above it shows they don't have much of a clue about these cards. It seems to me that if they don't have a good enough understanding of the cards then they shouldn't be applying a label to it.

[jacksoncoupage]

Here is a new variation on the blackout "final" version. The edited sign area is covered entirely in a solid black layer that normally extends left on an even level to Randy's ear. This one has a gap. All copies I have seen do not have the gap, until this one.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Here is a new variation on the blackout "final" version. The edited sign area is covered entirely in a solid black layer that normally extends left on an even level to Randy's ear. This one has a gap. All copies I have seen do not have the gap, until this one.

Cool find. Looks like a print spot/error and not a real variation IMO. Now I will have to try and find one for my print error collection.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Here is a new variation on the blackout "final" version. The edited sign area is covered entirely in a solid black layer that normally extends left on an even level to Randy's ear. This one has a gap. All copies I have seen do not have the gap, until this one.

Strangely since Dylan's post I have found 3 total with the error he described and had never noticed it before.

Here are pics of the 2 I bought last night. Hopefully when they arrive they still have the variation.

EDIT: After carefully looking at several 100 of the Marlboro error versions today I see the error above his left ear is a fairly common. I have found it on most if not all variations used to cover/obscure the Marlboro sign.