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Posted By: peter chao
We all have fancy ideas about how SGC and PSA can improve their service. The problem is most of the improvements would be too costly to implement. How about something simple and inexpensive that would improve the grading companies? |
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Posted By: Phil Garry
While it only applies to a very small percentage of the vintage card market, I believe the grading companies should find a way to assess the player images on the old 19th century tobacco cards like Old Judges, etc. Darker, clearer images would be rewarded and lighter, fainter images would be penalized. |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"To me, it would seem like a good idea for the card companies to keep track of cards that have been commonly counterfeited, this way I can go on their website and find out if I have to be extra careful in making a particular purchase. Is that asking for too much?" |
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Posted By: boxingbaseballgolf33
The card grading business is a very subjective process. There has to be a way for large companies like SGC and PSA to communicate better in the hobby. They need to work with all dealers, auctions and collectors large or small to come up with a solution to improve the overall market. Just this past year I have heard more stories about counterfeits, fakes, reprinted cards, cards being slabbed that should not have been. Also the problems with law suits and court cases are growing. The sports market or should I say industry now is growing, but is it for the better? I am a small independent collector/dealer that enjoys the hobby and if we can get the large companies to listen to our needs we maybe better off. Maybe they need to setup meetings for the public at shows for an hour so they can listen to suggestions or have a live online "town meeting" like some sites have. I enjoy this hobby too much to see it get wasted away by some of the larger companies that do not want to listen but instead collect fees for a process that is very subjective to begin with. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Jeez, I must be on a different planet. I've not heard any increase in stories of "counterfeits, fakes, or reprinted cards" making their way into slabs from either legitimate grading company. I saw a '38 Goudey common reprint in a BVG holder once a few years ago. That's about it. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
What should happen next is that Topps or Upper Deck should enter the slabbing business. They should issue a set that comes slabbed from the manufacturer. A kid could open up his wrapper, and there would be one or two factory slabbed cards. That is they way to go. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Dream on...it would be far to expensive to have wax packs of slabbed cards. In 1989 Upper Deck put a hologram on their cards that was suppose to make their cards counterfeit proof, that's probably the best Topps or Upper Deck can do. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Peter, something simple and inexpensive to improve the grading companies sounds to me like saying "I can not afford to fix the leak, but Im going to put a new coat of paint on the pipe"! |
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Posted By: Jim Dale
Ganz produces these little furry beanie baby type of things and sells them for a whopping $12.99 retail - I know my store sells a boat load of them. Sure they are cute and all, but collectible - not. Whats the point - every kid that gets one gets a freekin web site to go with hit - an innovative life long (yes life long) web site with routine updates on "life" and all kinds of things. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Jim, |
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Posted By: Eric B
Take a picture of the slabbed card, front and back, and allow you to pull up the pic so you can tell if you are getting what was slabbed. Could also help with peer review.....oops, guess that isn't going to happen. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Eric: |
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Posted By: Jimmy
Peter, this maybe the time for real change, I have invested a lot in PSA and SGC and even started buying more ungraded cards this past year - so why can’t they reach out and do more then just a few shows a year to explain how the process works - the hands on technical approach may work well to get new collectors in the hobby |
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Posted By: Jim VB
I think, generally speaking, authenticators in any field don't really want you to know what steps they take. If they did offer a clinic explaining everything they do, or don't do, all the people in the front row would be the ones trying to beat their system. |
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Posted By: Marc
Anyone familiar with arrowgrade.com grading service? I've seen some cards from them before, but I've never heard of them. The only thing I've found out is their short description from their website. Are they legitimate? Has anyone had any problems with them before? |
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Posted By: Kevin Sacuier
""I think, generally speaking, authenticators in any field don't really want you to know what steps they take. If they did offer a clinic explaining everything they do, or don't do, all the people in the front row would be the ones trying to beat their system."" |
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Posted By: boxingbaseballgolf33
Guys, |
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Posted By: Marc S.
a few issues of modern product with inserts (per box) with cards being pre-slabbed. And a lot of what comes out from Topps Pristine and others come in sealed plastic tombs with holographic seals over them....so basically you can say that Topps has already been leading the charge in having essentially graded cards in its boxes of new product. |
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Posted By: Steve f
Frank, The graders would still be in business... If Topps, Fleer etc sold packs pregraded then folks would be busting out those countless 10's and resubmitting in hopes of getting a bump down. Then they can say they have a grade 9! |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Frank, you didn't include a smiley face w/your post so I'm not sure if you were joking or not. If you were, good one! This wouldn't put the grading companies out of business, though. Sometimes those slabs get nicked, scratched or cracked. Soon collectors would be sending in the slabs themselves to be graded. : ) |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Okay, I've said it before and I'll say it one more time. |
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Posted By: Rob
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Rob- you make a very good point which I agree with, and that is the grading companies have a bottom line too. But if that's what grading is all about then I think the consumer may eventually lose confidence in the whole process. Time will tell, but I have predicted for a long time that something major is going to happen- I'm not smart enough to know exactly what it is- that will ultimately change the way the grading system operates, and likewise have ramifications on the baseball card hobby. |
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Posted By: Steve f
Then an affordable apartment on Manhattan isn't just a pipe dream! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
An affordable apartment in Manhattan- those days are over! |
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Posted By: Bob
I agree with Barry, I wish the grading companies would spend their time autheticating cards instead of assigning grades. Grading is too subjective and the detection of trimmed, bleached, colored, restored, altered or counterfeit cards needs to be given priority. That said, I am sure the post war collectors would disagree as the grading game is too important to many of them. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Limiting the role of grading companies makes sense from the hobby perspective, but not from the seller's perspective. It's not just postwar dealers that would object it's almost every seller. The dealers are making money from buying raw and then submitting the card to the grading companies. Without that "value added" many of the dealers would be out of business. |
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Posted By: JimB
I like what Barry has to say, but I don't think it will come to pass. Partly because it is not in the interest of the grading companies for reasons already mentioned and partly because one of the gifts that grading gave the hobby was a standard system(s) of grading. Dealers were all over the map before slabbing. A person would never know what they were getting in mail order before standard grading (and the internet). As a rule, they undergraded when buying and overgraded when selling. And the poor graders, like Fritsch did not parish. |
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Posted By: Jim Dale
In the dot com era a small company employed about 40 people to run scanners, insert images and entered more then 600,000 catalog items into a web site in 8 weeks. Why the card companies can not offer a thumbnail, actual size and high res. scan on a simple web page for the consumer is beyond me - it does cost money but NOT a lot of money. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- I agree my idea never will come to pass, it's just theoretical. I realize collectors demand a numerical evaluation but it would be a good skill to learn. Before grading we were all forced to grade our own cards, and it wasn't that difficult. Plus, while grading can be inconsistent, most items sold today are pictured on the internet so it would take some of the mystery out of the process. |
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