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T206 Reference...Reflections...Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ?
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There are 250 different subjects in the T206 set printed with POLAR BEAR (PB) backs. American Litho (ALC) started their 1st press runs of the PB cards in the 350-only series (circa Summer 1910). There are 138 subjects in the 350-only series confirmed with PB backs. The population range of these PB cards is 50 - 100. Subsequently, ALC printed the PB backs on cards in the 350/460 series. In this series, 64 subjects are confirmed with PB backs. The population range of these PB cards is 100 - 300. And finally, the PB backs were printed on all 46 subjects in the 460-only series. The population range of these PB cards is 25 - 75. Given the above data, my theory is that the Demmitt and O'Hara (St Louis cards) were printed during the 350/460 press run. TED Z . |
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Do you think the Demmitt/O'hara are notably any more rare than the average PB common? How would you rate it's survivor population vs the average PB common.
Much lower Slightly lower Almost equal Equal |
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T206 Reference...Reflections...Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ?
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Your question is too general. It depends which series of POLAR BEAR (PB) cards you are comparing Demmitt and O'Hara with. As I elaborated on in Post #549 here, there are 3 series of T206 cards in which PB backs were printed in. The 350/460 series subjects were printed with a greater number of PB backs than the subjects in the other two series. This is an indisputable fact which is indicated in population report data. For example....the population report data of the red Cobb shows 320 cards. This Cobb is in the 350/460 series; therefore, either Demmitt or O'Hara would conceivably be 300+ cards (each). Since, it's my firm belief that these two St Louis variations were printed with this group. TED Z . |
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Thank you for helping me through this. Lets narrow down more to try and see if I can get on the same page with my question.
Given any/average common in the 350/460 series. Is the Demmitt and O'hara any more rare than the other examples from that series? |
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T206 Reference....Reflections....FYI-rosters of the 16 Major League teams
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The T206 set comprises of 388 - Major League ballplayers. A breakdown of a each of the 16 team rosters will be listed here in the forthcoming posts. The printers at American Lithograph certainly favored the NY Giants (printing 53 subjects). A number far greater than any other team in the set. Not surprising, since American Lithographic was situated in downtown New York City (NYC). In fact, the combined representation of the three NYC teams is 27 % of the Major League guys in this set. For starters, here is the New York Giants roster with respect to the 4 series in the T206 set...… 150 Series ..……………………...printed & issued circa Summer 1909 to Winter 1909 Ames (hands at chest) Ames (portrait) Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Crandall (no cap) Devlin Donlin (fielding) Donlin (seated) Larry Doyle (throwing) Durham Herzog (New York) Marquard (hands at side) Mathewson (portrait) Mathewson (white cap) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) Merkle (portrait) Schlei (catching) Seymour (batting) Tenney Weimer Wiltse (portrait-no cap) 350-only Series ..……………………...printed & issued circa Winter 1909 to Fall 1910 Fletcher Marquard (portrait) McCormick Murray (bat) Myers (batting) Myers (fielding) O'Hara Raymond Snodgrass (batting) 350/460 series ..……………………...printed & issued circa Fall 1910 to Spring 1911 Ames (hands over head) Donlin (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Mathewson (dark cap) Seymour (throwing) Snodgrass (catching) Wiltse (pitching) 460-only Series ..……………………...printed & issued circa Winter 1910 to Spring 1911 Bridwell (portrait-cap) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Larry Doyle (portrait) Latham Marquard (pitching) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Seymour (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-cap) Wiltse (pitching) Here is the tally for the 16 - Major League teams...… National League Subjects..Team ------------------- 53...……..New York 37...……..Chicago 26...………Brooklyn 23...……..Cincinnati 19...……..Pittsburgh 18...……..St Louis 14...……..Boston 13...……..Philadelphia American League Subjects..Team ------------------ 30...……..Detroit 27...……..New York 27...……..Chicago 25...……..Cleveland 22...……..St Louis 22...……..Philadelphia 19...……..Washington 13...……..Boston ---- 388 = grand total subjects TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 12-17-2018 at 11:56 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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Here we have the New York Highlanders (27 subjects) and the Brooklyn Superbas (26 subjects) . 150 series Ball (New York) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chesbro Hemphill Keeler (portrait) Keeler (bat) Kleinow (bat) Lake (New York) Manning (batting) 350-only series Cree Demmitt Joe Doyle (hands over head) Engle Kleinow (New York-catching) Knight (portrait) Knight (bat) LaPorte Quinn Warhop 350/460 series Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Manning (pitching) Jeff Sweeney (fielding) 460-only series Chase (trophy) Ford Frill . 150 series Alperman Bell (hands over head) Bergen (bat) Burch (bat) Jordan (portrait) Lumley McIntyre (Brooklyn) Pastorius Pattee Rucker (portrait) Wilhelm (hands at chest) 350-only Series Joe Dunn Dahlen (Brooklyn) Hunter Lennox Marshall McElveen 350/460 Series Burch (fielding) Jordan (bat) Rucker (throwing) Wilhelm (with bat) 460-only series Bell (throwing) Bergen (catching) Hummel Happy Smith (Brooklyn) Wheat Stay tuned......13 more Teams to go. TED Z . |
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Hey Ted, I know that this is off topic, but I just noticed something. And I apologize if this has been discussed elsewhere:
What team did J. Ross Helm play for? Attachment 332979 I know that it says Columbus, but he is a Southern Leaguer, and Columbus is not in the South. Here is a scan of some minor leaguers. The top five are from Columbus. Their uniforms feature two different "C" logos. Neither of them match the "C" on Helm's uniform.The next two played for Columbia, and their logo is totally different. The final row is Foster and Paige, both of whom played for Charleston, and their "C" logo is an exact match for Helm's. It appears that Helm also played for Charleston, but on his card the printers erroneously wrote Columbus. scan0001.jpg I don't know where to look up minor leaguer's stats, but I'm sure someone here does, and can confirm which team Helm played for. |
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