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I've got about 300 '91 Topps cello packs to rip. The list of E&V is so large I'm going to have to do it in shifts but I was wondering if someone wouldn't mind giving me a top-5 or top-10 list, if such a thing exists.

I'm assuming there is a hierarchy among them. For context, I know zero about '91 Topps E&V.

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Arthur - Good luck. If it helps, I'm looking for 1991 Topps All Star Rookie Trophy cards MINT pack fresh and centered.
I'd pay for PSA 9/10 candidates.
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The list of E&V is so large I'm going to have to do it in shifts...
Okay, I'll bite. What's "E&V"?

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9b Darrin Fletcher VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
26 Luis Sojo UER: Born in Barquisimento, not Caracas
42a Chris Hoiles VAR: White inset border on front
42b Chris Hoiles VAR: Dark inset border
49a Pat Borders ERR: 40 stolen bases at Kinston in 1986
49b Pat Borders COR: 0 stolen bases at Kinston in 1986
53 Mike Sharperson UER: Born in 1961, not 1960
80a Fernando Valenzuela ERR: 20 complete games in 1986 not italicized, tied for earned runs in 1990
80b Fernando Valenzuela COR: 20 complete games in 1986 italicized, led league in earned runs in 1990
87a Tracy Jones VAR: E* F* print code before copyright on back
87b Tracy Jones VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
97a Brady Anderson ERR: Monthly scoreboard for September 2 RBI, 3 hits
97b Brady Anderson COR: Monthly scoreboard for September 3 RBI, 14 hits
100a Don Mattingly ERR: 10 H in '90, 1310 career H, .483 career SLG, .297 career BA
100b Don Mattingly COR: 101 H in '90, 1401 career H, .504 career SLG, .317 career BA
131a Checklist #1 ERR: #727 Phil Bradley Chicago White Sox
131b Checklist #1 COR: #717 Phil Bradley Chicago White Sox
149 Al Osuna UER: Shown throwing right but bio says left
155a Dwight Evans ERR: 162 games in 1982 led league
155b Dwight Evans COR: 162 games in 1982 tied for lead
160 Vince Coleman UER: Wrong birth year
167a Randy Tomlin ERR: "Harriburg"
167b Randy Tomlin COR: "Harrisburg"
236a Frank Tanana ERR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 tied
236b Frank Tanana COR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 led league
238 Mike Dunne UER: Birthplace South Bend IN, should be Peoria IL
241 Dave Clark UER: Career totals
270a Mark McGwire ERR: 1987 Slugging percentage is 618, should be .618
270b Mark McGwire COR: Slugging percentage .618 in 1987
278 Alex Fernandez UER: No '90 White Sox stats
279a Jose Gonzalez ERR: Photo actually Billy Bean; batting left-handed
279b Jose Gonzalez COR: Batting right-handed
306a Lonnie Smith ERR: 136 games in 1990, 1,270 games in career
306b Lonnie Smith COR: 135 games in 1990, 1,269 games in career
324a Ron Kittle ERR: "Ron set Comiskey Park record with 6 home runs…", "Set another standard…"
324b Ron Kittle COR: "Ron set Comiskey Park record with 7 home runs…", "Tied another standard…"
326a Ken Patterson ERR: TM on front printed at top of banner
326b Ken Patterson COR: TM on front printed in middle of banner
337a Keith Comstock ERR: Cubs logo
337b Keith Comstock COR: Mariners logo
366a Checklist #3 ERR: #19 Carl Nichols (Houston)
366b Checklist #3 COR: #119 Carl Nichols (Houston)
378a Wilson Alvarez ERR: Missing stats 89 Port Charlotte and 90 Birmingham
378b Wilson Alvarez COR: Added 89 Port Charlotte and 90 Birmingham
423 Rafael Ramirez UER: Born in 1959, not 1958
454a Kevin Appier ERR: '90 Omaha line omitted
454b Kevin Appier COR: '90 Omaha line included
461a Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line gray
461b Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line red
526a Moises Alou ERR: 37 runs in 1990 for Pirates, 41 runs in career
526b Moises Alou COR: 0 runs in 1990 for Pirates, 4 runs in career
527a Checklist #4 ERR: #719 Kevin McReynolds, #105 Keith Miller (New York NL)
527b Checklist #4 COR: #105 Kevin McReynolds, #719 Keith Miller (New York NL)
587 Jose Offerman UER: States he was signed 7-24-86, but text states 1988
588a Mark Whiten VAR: Hand stops at card border
588b Mark Whiten VAR: Hand extends outside of left border
593a Mike C. Walker ERR: Missing '90 Canton-Akron stat line
593b Mike C. Walker COR: Added '90 Canton-Akron
599a Greg Myers ERR: Missing 90 Syracuse stat line
599b Greg Myers COR: Added 90 Syracuse
603a Wes Chamberlain ERR: Photo actually Louie Meadows; bat on shoulder
603b Wes Chamberlain COR: Arms crossed on knees
615a Bert Blyleven VAR: MAJ. LEA in smaller print under stats on back
615b Bert Blyleven VAR: MAJ. LEA in larger print under stats on back
656a Checklist #5 ERR: #348 V.Palacios; #381 J.Lind; #665 J.Leyland; #537 M.LaValliere
656b Checklist #5 ERR: #433 V.Palacios, should be #438; #537 J.Lind; #381 J.Leyland; #665 M.LaValliere
656c Checklist #5 COR: #438 V.Palacios; #537 J.Lind; #381 J.Leyland; #665 M.LaValliere
674a Kevin Gross ERR: 89 bases on balls in 1988 tied
674b Kevin Gross COR: 89 bases on balls in 1988 led league
685a Doug Drabek VAR: White inset border on front
685b Doug Drabek VAR: Black inset border on front
687a John Cerutti ERR: 4.46 ERA in 1990
687b John Cerutti COR: 4.76 ERA in 1990
692a Efrain Valdez ERR: Birthdate 6-11-66, two lines of text
692b Efrain Valdez COR: Birthdate 7-11-66, no lines of text
692c Efrain Valdez COR: Birthdate 7-11-66, two lines of text
706a Brad Arnsberg ERR: 68.2 innings pitched in 1990, 144 innings pitched career, 3.25 ERA career
706b Brad Arnsberg COR: 62.2 innings pitched in 1990, 138 innings pitched career, 3.39 ERA career
771 Gary Redus UER: Birthplace listed as Tanner, should be Athens
772 Kent Mercker UER: Birthplace listed as Indianapolis, should be Dublin, Ohio
780a Randy Myers ERR: 15 losses in career
780b Randy Myers COR: 19 losses in career

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Arthur--The 1991 Topps sets has by far the most variant cards of any Topps sets, front and back. I am positive no complete list exists. There are some threads in here on the task facing anyone who wants to put together a "master" set. While many of the variants might be viewed as only recuring print defects, the sheer number of front and back differences is daunting.

I will try to run down and post links to prior threads. There are some 1991 variations that have greater hobby recognition, like the Boyd differences, that are discussed in such threads. Also Dylan has a list of some notable variants on his Junk Wax Gems web site

Bob-- your favorite topics, errors and variations

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Thanks, Al. I went back and reread the previous threads. I remembered about the Oil Can but that was about it. I was just hoping to chop the list down to, say, the rarest of the rare and look for those first. Then go back over time and look for all of the others as I sort through them.

I'm really starting to wonder why I bought 300 cello packs.

Ray, I'll put aside any that look like they've got a shot and PM you back at the ranch.

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Are all A*B* cards rare or are there legitimate A*B* cards and it's just the A* sheet cards that have been seen with A*B* that are rare?

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I have not followed values recently on hobby recognized 1991 Topps variations. I have seen the scarcest Boyd card go for a fairly high premium. You might do and ebay search for current and completed Topps 1991 errors and variations, with a highest price first filter. Or send Dylan, Jacksoncoupage a pm for his input, especially on the sheet designation question

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Thanks again, Al. In one of the threads someone made reference to the Hoiles and Whiten as being tough so I'll add those on top of the Oil Can. I think part of this may be me stalling getting started on it. I've got a small air conditioner box filled top to bottom, side to side with cellos. I think I'll go see if my dentist can squeeze me in.

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Drabek and Ventura as well

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Are all A*B* cards rare or are there legitimate A*B* cards and it's just the A* sheet cards that have been seen with A*B* that are rare?

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All A*B* cards rare. I recently had a small quanity that quickly sold at $5 each.

The most valued A*B* card is mostly the Mark McGwire A*B* card, which seems to never turn up for sale.
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Thank you, sir.

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If I read the A*B* article correctly, so far they've all had bold "40th Anniversary" backs.

I just pulled a faded A*B*.

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I'm 44 cellos in. I've pulled two different Oil Can Boyds, both versions of the Ryan RB, one pack of bold "40th Anniversary," and some other stuff. My question is, in that list is the suffix-a card always the correct and most common version?

I've also got a cello with bolds viewable through the back that I'm keeping sealed.





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Pulled a Comstock Cubs.

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Now Arthur if you can pull an 88 Comstock Yellow Name from these 91 packs you will have a $ card
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If I read the A*B* article correctly, so far they've all had bold "40th Anniversary" backs.

I just pulled a faded A*B*.

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All of the A*B* cards should all have bold "40th Anniversary" backs.

I think you might have a Tiffany card, which does have a faded A*B* back. It was probably inserted into a pack by mistake. See link:

https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/...Boston/1984187
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No, I'm quite familiar with Tiffany cards. I've been ripping those sets for a while now. This is a regular Topps card with the faded back and A*B*.

ETA: I just noticed my scanner blew it out for some reason and made it appear white. It's not. I'll try and get a better back scan.

ETA2: This should be better.





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I'm 96 cellos in. Finally pulled a Mattingly 10 hits. Still nothing on the Whiten/Hoiles front but I think I've pulled many of the other variations. I'm surprised Topps went crazy over fixing the Whiten and Boyd cards and yet let these go.

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It's a little tougher to see in the scan than in person but the mark and glove laces are definitely green. Is this a new variation or a misunderstanding of the existing?



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It's a little tougher to see in the scan than in person but the mark and glove laces are definitely green. Is this a new variation or a misunderstanding of the existing?

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I think the green is caused by a color shift of a plate, most evident by the yellow shown at the top of the card.
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No, I'm quite familiar with Tiffany cards. I've been ripping those sets for a while now. This is a regular Topps card with the faded back and A*B*.

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The faded logo A*B* seemed strange, so I had to check my files.

The #83 Daryl Boston A*B*/faded logo isn't rare. You can find it in the mass-produced 1991 Topps Factory Set.
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Oh that makes sense. You should probably notate that somewhere so someone doesn't get taken for a ride thinking that it's rare. Also, the Tracy Jones E*F* isn't on your list either. Again, that may not be rare but it should be notated.

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I'm 44 cellos in. I've pulled two different Oil Can Boyds, both versions of the Ryan RB, one pack of bold "40th Anniversary," and some other stuff. My question is, in that list is the suffix-a card always the correct and most common version?

I've also got a cello with bolds viewable through the back that I'm keeping sealed.





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When they make corrections to the "A" sheet, they put an "*" at the bottom of the card on the reverse by the copyright logo. I am not sure how the A*B* comes about but I suspect the card was originally on the "A" sheet and then moved to the "B" sheet along with other changes.....just guessing on that though.

So the latest corrections should all be on a sheet with a "*" on it.
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Thanks for responding. I should have been more articulate. I was referring to the junkwaxgems list. It's broken down by versions, like:

#146a 70 runs in 1982
#146b 20 runs in 1982

I'm assuming that in all of these instances the "a" card is the correct version and the most common?

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Arthur,

When they make corrections to the "A" sheet, they put an "*" at the bottom of the card on the reverse by the copyright logo. I am not sure how the A*B* comes about but I suspect the card was originally on the "A" sheet and then moved to the "B" sheet along with other changes.....just guessing on that though.

So the latest corrections should all be on a sheet with a "*" on it.
I've heard that before, but only fairly recently.
The cards are printed on a double size sheet, 264 cards. A and B, C and D, E and F.
Usually there's only one sheet indicator, and it very nearly always has the asterix. I can't recall seeing one without it in decades.
If you notice, the A is always spaced out from the copyright when it's by itself. That's most likely from them using a pasteup that included both sheet letters, either on the original art, or on the mask. Then the one that wasn't needed was blocked out. Except for some reason in 1991 they missed it on a lot of cards.
(There are exceptions, like the year they offered a few cards for a small payment and some wrappers to help people finish sets. There was enough demand for stars that they made a special sheet)
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Can someone back me up on #477 Mike Fetters?

Seems like there are versions where the banner finished in white and where his arm covers it. Also versions where the bottom of the last 'L' in Baseball is visible and versions where it's not.

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This thread peeked my interest so I looked through a box to
see how many of the variations I have. I have quite a few of them
so I imagine most of them are relatively common.

Most of them are in good condition but they are curved from being
in a 5k storage box for over 25 years.

1991 Topps Chamberlain Group.jpg

91 Topps McGwire.jpg

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(There are exceptions, like the year they offered a few cards for a small payment and some wrappers to help people finish sets. There was enough demand for stars that they made a special sheet)
That was 1984 and I guarantee you most people who took advantage of that offer bought Mattingly and Strawberry and Boggs and Sandberg, etc.

A few people did order what was needed but most ordered the stars noted

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That was 1984 and I guarantee you most people who took advantage of that offer bought Mattingly and Strawberry and Boggs and Sandberg, etc.

A few people did order what was needed but most ordered the stars noted

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I don't recall the exact makeup of the sheet, but it was an odd one. Mostly strips of three of the more popular stars, with a few smaller blocks or singles.

I couldn't buy the whole thing, too much for me and it was cut up for the oddball strips. I'm pretty sure I have one somewhere.
Other than the obvious needle in a haystack odds, it would be interesting to see if I can spot a difference between these specials and the regular cards. I know a lot more now, so maybe.
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I am selling one of the Boyd cards within a box of 1991 Topps errors that I managed to snag from a goodwill. The Boyd I have is the one with the black banner tip and no squiggly marks on the hat.
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