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03-11-2018, 11:40 PM
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T206 Ty Cobb...Broad Leaf 460???? **Auction Ended by Seller**
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03-12-2018, 12:57 AM
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If it was genuine it would be only the second known Cobb/ Broadleaf 460
 I can't be sure from the scans, but the red flags are overwhelming. - A virtually impossible combination. - Comes from his uncle's collection, which by itself is suspicious. But what are the chances that the one card from his uncle that he is selling is a Cobb/ BL 460? - While he mentions that he's selling Uncle Bob's collection, this is the only card that he's selling. - The BS excuse about not getting it graded. Even in bad condition it's a $20K plus card, but he'll start the bidding at $50. - And of course, he won't accept returns. Last edited by Sean; 03-12-2018 at 01:04 AM.
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03-12-2018, 05:27 AM
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I've read worse excuses for not getting cards put into an SGC or PSA holder on the BST.
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03-12-2018, 06:49 AM
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Front and back by themselves look real, but yes, I can see this being a Frankenstein card with the 2 parts glued together.
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03-12-2018, 07:42 AM
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I agree with Sean -- if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... I mean man, they have put that card through every possible damage, especially the back - creasing, staining, rounded corners and a pen-mark "4". The red background on the front bothers me for some reason. As real as the back looks to me, under the totality of these circumstances, I just cant believe that this is an authentic Red Cobb BL 460 (Kinda like there was no way I would ever bid on a Candiman auction under those circumstances.... sorry, I couldn't help myself).
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03-12-2018, 07:48 AM
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also feedback as a seller over a year ago.....
sounds like someone's account was hacked.. seller will take the funds...close the bank....then buyer will get money back from ebay 60 days later...post office wins.. Plus the other option is there will be the game of 'i sent it and it say received on tracking' and buyer saying never got....and insurance claim for seller/buyer..
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03-12-2018, 08:01 AM
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If it is a reback it's very well done. no overhang anywhere and the one edge he shows us looks good. Of course why is he showing an edge view? That alone makes me suspicious. Someone is thinking "man I did a good job on this, I'll even show an edge view..."
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03-12-2018, 08:06 AM
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its up to a whopping $360,,,
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03-12-2018, 08:09 AM
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03-12-2018, 08:10 AM
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hi frank lol
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03-12-2018, 09:05 AM
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I'll take a stab in the dark that someone who sells Pink Floyd T-shirts and Star Wars figurines doesn't have a high dollar Cobb laying around.
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03-12-2018, 09:10 AM
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I tried to enlarge their scan but it does look re-backed.
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03-12-2018, 09:58 AM
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I get the underlying principle on what you're saying Andrew - but at the same time, this auction listing: 1. Is in the baseball cards category under Sports Mem (not Tobacciana or something else) 2. Has T206 in the title 3. Has Ty Cobb in the title 4. Has 1909-11 in the title 5. Has broad leaf in the title. I just don't think that in this particular case, especially since it is more likely than not that this is probably fraud of some sort, that this listing needed any help in getting attention. It may have sped up the process by a couple days, but that's all.
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03-12-2018, 10:03 AM
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Very true Jeff. I could have found a better example to post the question. Nate this is very true. Again was not the best auction to post that question
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I am sure sellers want their cards outed though in general..
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03-12-2018, 11:56 AM
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Red flags are all there. The seller has gone from "what you see is what you get...all sales final" to "I WILL GUARANTEE." The story about PSA-I know that PCGS makes those types of recommendations, but why would PSA stop the seller from a direct (albeit pricey) submission? Why would they recommend dragging a third party into what could end up a legal battle? Maybe Uncle Bob was a crafty SOB and skillfully slapped that card together. The seller passes that buck in the second edit. Maybe Bob got duped by the same one who sandwiched the Edwards' Wagner. Or maybe Bob was looking for rare back/front combos before anyone else in the hobby. We'll never know.
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03-12-2018, 12:19 PM
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03-12-2018, 12:39 PM
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03-12-2018, 01:01 PM
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When viewing the card from the front, the crease seems to "smile", bowing down in shape, a hair...when looking at the crease from the back, it seems more straight, not curved, or...even slightly bowing in the opposite direction. Meaning, possibly two different creases (rebacked?).
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03-12-2018, 02:40 PM
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I hope someone here takes the gamble! Back looks good but hard to tell on the front from those scans. Why would anybody skin a BL 460. Sure it’s Cobb but any BL 460 is going to bring a lot of money. My guess is the front and back are both fake.
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03-12-2018, 02:42 PM
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It would be great for the hobby if the card was an authentic Broad Leaf 460. Here is my theory on this card. Someone purchased a beater red Cobb, lightly sanded off the back and probably with a home printer they printed the Broad Leaf 460 reverse on it. You could easily get a BL460 reprint on eBay. Inside the deep back crease you can still see the brown ink, see attached pic. I could be wrong.
I say Jamie has the only one.
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03-12-2018, 03:49 PM
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FWIW, it looks ok to me. If it's a fake, it's a good one. Just my opinion as a neutral observer. I'm not an expert, this isn't my auction, and I'm not planning to bid.
My red Cobb was purchased in a similar kind of auction: seller with no other cards for sale, low feedback, not a lot of details in the description, etc. I watched as it went through through two rounds of 7 day eBay auctions without a bid. After communicating with the seller, carefully examining the pictures, and making comparisons to other examples, I felt confident enough to bid on the card the third time around. I was the only bidder, and I got the card for $400. It was delivered promptly and I was thrilled to see for myself that it was definitely real. Certainly, the card in question now is in a completely different league of scarcity and value than mine. But, crazy things do happen. Good luck if you bid!
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03-12-2018, 04:10 PM
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Doesn’t anyone see the “g” in cigarette. It should be missing ink in that deep crease. It’s obviously been put on, over the crease.
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03-12-2018, 05:03 PM
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How did that big red circle get on the card??
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03-12-2018, 08:03 PM
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Just received this message from seller...........
Hello Chad, as I stated in my listing yes, I would refund high bid if and only if card is a fake or rebacked (word of the day) lol I have an offer of $21,000 to end auction and 2 collectors flying out to view card before making an offer. Both collectors are aware of the $21,000 offer. Good luck bidding regards carmen
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03-12-2018, 08:37 PM
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Seller might as well camp out at the airport for all the paparazzi flying out to see “the card!” Can’t wait to see how this plays out.
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03-13-2018, 03:37 AM
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If that's the case, then he'll owe eBay $2,100 in Final Value Fees and probably get suspended for pulling a live auction with a paper trail.
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03-13-2018, 06:11 AM
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I smell another Blue Old Mill fiasco. It looks fake on my computer screen, everything is fake! And the famous line "there can be only one". Blah Blah. There is red ink in the crease on the front too geniuses! Does the ink magically disappear when it gets creased?
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Several people have asked my opinion on the card... I would like to see it slabbed before I go ahead and say now there are 2 known... there were several red flags that would have stopped me from offering the big bucks this card would demand.. uncle bob sure has one hell of a rare card if its real.... but how many people with a collection of less then 30 cards (was what the seller told me)... will have a cobb BL 460... a collection of only 30 cards contains this card?... the odds are stacked against such a story being true....
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