Mets were 14-18 when Degrom started for them

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sounds like a Cy Young season to me.

Oh wait. I guess it was.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sounds like a Cy Young season to me.

Oh wait. I guess it was.

Yep 21 wins over 2 years sounds like 2 cy youngs to me....especially when win percentage for the team on his starts are less than the team overall at least for this year.. the 2018 season stats makes sense but not 2019. Looks like real bad luck


real tough for a over .500 team to win 30 percent or whatever of a pitchers starts in 2018..

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sounds like a Cy Young season to me.

Oh wait. I guess it was.

Naw!!!!!! Not even Pud Galvin could top Cy's career loss record, but he tried with 310 (actually Cy actually topped Pud chronologically with 315).

Suffice it to say I doubt Degrom will be lucky to garner half that number of losses regardless of how many awards he wins.

[clydepepper]

certainly more deserving than one Viagra spokesman who won a golden glove while playing only 28 games in the field.

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

certainly more deserving than one Viagra spokesman who won a golden glove while playing only 28 games in the field.

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well if taking viagra there were probably games played off the field too

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

certainly more deserving than one Viagra spokesman who won a golden glove while playing only 28 games in the field.

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That was unbelievable. Did we ever get an explanation from the writers who voted for him?

[parker1b2]

But Degroms 2019 WAR was 7.9, so I guess the Mets would have been 6-26 if he didn’t start those games.

[nat]

deGrom really did have some bad luck. Obviously some of his losses were his fault, but then there are these ones:

May 1 - allows one run over seven innings (and zero earned runs), but the Mets get shut out by the Reds.

May 6 - allows two runs over seven innings, but the Mets get shut out by the Padres

June 1 - allows one run in 6.2 innings, but the relievers blow it

June 7 - allows two runs over six innings (not bad, ERA of 3.00 for the game), but the Mets score only one run and lose to the Rockies

June 13 - allows two runs over seven innings, but the relievers blow it

June 23 - allows two runs over six innings, but the relievers blow it

July 5 - allows two runs over seven innings, but the Mets' pen gives up five in the ninth

July 19 - allows zero runs over seven innings, but the Mets get shut out and the Giants get one run after he leaves the game

Aug 11 - the defense loses this game, deGrom allows zero earned runs (three unearned) and the Mets still lose

Aug 23 - allows one run over seven innings, but the Mets also score only one and the Braves get the game winner after he leaves

That's some terrible luck. deGrom himself took the loss in the May 6 and June 7 games, despite pitching well in the both of them. The Mets offense and the relief pitchers really let him down (their D also cost him one or two wins). If the Mets offense could have managed just two runs each game for him (not a big ask) he would have been 14-7. Given how well he pitched, even average luck should have given him something like 17 or 18 wins.

[chaddurbin]

of course degrom deserved the CY, op's premise for the argument was so laughable there's no good reason to engage.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by parker1b2

But Degroms 2019 WAR was 7.9, so I guess the Mets would have been 6-26 if he didn’t start those games.

I fine that hard to believe when the team was over .500, 6 and 26 is a really hard record to obtain....you would think at least 10 wins..so a cy young basically wins your team 4 more games..in a season versus starting Steven Brach or however you spell it on the pirates...just fill in a number 4-5 pitcher

[Jim65]

Jacob deGrom was the best pitcher in the NL the last 2 years, period. The Mets bullpen was atrocious and blew many wins for him. His combined ERA the last 2 years is 2.05, with sub 1.00 WHIP both years, you really think a average replacement would do that?

BTW, his name is deGrom, not Degrom.