Graded Topps Coins - Would You Ever...?

[Gr8Beldini]

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I have some experience buying and selling Topps coins. Always raw. Assigning a grade to them is pretty easy (Mint is perfect, Near Mint is nearly mint but... etc.). I'm not saying the seller is doing anything wrong - he's selling what he's consigned to sell... but the grading company! I see these all over Ebay. Coins with moderate levels of rim rust/scuffing being assigned Mint and NM/MT grades. Assuming it was raw, the coin pictured... forget mint - I would NEVER consider listing it at NM/MT (which I'd expect to have returned to me by an unhappy buyer); nor would I consider listing it as NM; and I'm not so sure I'd give it a EX/NM (this one pictured I probably would list in my store as EX... maybe EX/NM depending on how it looks in my hand. NEVER EVER would something like this be graded by anyone with experience selling these as anything better than a 6.

[ALR-bishop]

I think I have all the Topps coin sets through 1994. Never had or bought any graded but for the 56 Pins and 64 Coins I put them all in those coin savers where a cardboard front and back fold over them with a clear round plastic middle front and back. Then put them in an album page in binders. Pretty bulky arrangements

The different Candy lid issues were much easier to display

[steve B]

I'd think that EX was a generous grade on this one. Not enough that I'd complain, but enough that I would probably pass on it unless the price was really low.

[sflayank]

Obviously that coin is not a 9
This is the new psa graders
They have no clue whatsoever
The quality control no longer exists
I'm getting back and seeing cards and coins
That are over graded and undergraded by 4 or 5 grades

[swarmee]

This one was graded about 8 years back...

[JollyElm]

For the edification of us non-coin-collectors, could you post pictures of what a NM one 'should' look like?

And a couple of questions:

1. Are there actually coins that have virtually no degree of scuffing whatsoever on the rims? Just smooth, polished metal?

2. Kellogg's 3D cards can be graded high, but then start cracking inside the slabs, making a mockery of the number grade. With the coins, is there a similar thing going on with them developing rust over time?

[nwobhm]

May have looked nicer when it was slabbed. Improper storage in a moist environment....5+ years in a storage facility without climate control can do a lot of damage.

[swarmee]

Here's one graded a 7 just a couple years later.

1964 Topps Coins - [Base] #151 - Willie Mays [PSA*7*NM]
Courtesy of COMC.com

All that matters to some is the grade on the flip. So they can put it in their registry and re-sell it. Maybe it was a mechanical error....

[JollyElm]

I was obviously asking to see a coin with a gray metallic edge, not a fully colored one.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

For the edification of us non-coin-collectors, could you post pictures of what a NM one 'should' look like?



1. Are there actually coins that have virtually no degree of scuffing whatsoever on the rims? Just smooth, polished metal?

ABSOLUTELY!

2. Kellogg's 3D cards can be graded high, but then start cracking inside the slabs, making a mockery of the number grade. With the coins, is there a similar thing going on with them developing rust over time?

I guess in theory this might be possible, but I have never seen it.

[Gr8Beldini]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

For the edification of us non-coin-collectors, could you post pictures of what a NM one 'should' look like?

And a couple of questions:

1. Are there actually coins that have virtually no degree of scuffing whatsoever on the rims? Just smooth, polished metal?

2. Kellogg's 3D cards can be graded high, but then start cracking inside the slabs, making a mockery of the number grade. With the coins, is there a similar thing going on with them developing rust over time?

Re: #1... Without question there are. I've been handling and dealing with them or years. Those are the ones that get graded NM/MT or better.

Re: #2... Not a chance. That coin got scuffed by banging around inside a bag with other coins... PRIOR to slabbing.

[nwobhm]

How do you that's scuffed and not tarnished? Have you had this piece in hand?

[ALBB]

Im hoping to get at least a 7 on this one..but would be happy with a 6.5

[ALR-bishop]

That PIN has character

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I was obviously asking to see a coin with a gray metallic edge, not a fully colored one.

https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/...ngraded/DCR/NM

[Gr8Beldini]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

How do you that's scuffed and not tarnished? Have you had this piece in hand?

Is this a trick question? Of course I've never had it in my hand, but I do have eyeballs. Vast amounts of chrome have chipped away from the rim. But to defend against you getting me on another terminology loophole, maybe it didn't "chip" away... possible that it scuffed away, or rubbed away, or tarnished away, or peeled away, or endoplasmic reticulum-ed away. Use whatever terminology that makes you feel comfy cozy, but there is chrome missing from the rim of the coin. Much of it missing. That coin is at least 4 full grades over-graded.

[ALR-bishop]

Gr8--looks oxidized to me

[bb66]

Gr8Beldini--I had a question about the '64 coins. Do you know what series they were issued ? I opened a few packs in '64 with my older brother. We had some coins but opened packs from series 1,2,4,&5 I believe. I was only 5 years old and have no clue on the series they were issued. Thanks

[insidethewrapper]

I'm thinking of selling all my Kellogg cards in slabs. Many were graded 8's, 9's and 10's and I paid the price for them and now many are cracked. So I will have to sell them as PSA 9 ( but cracked). Lost a few $$$ on these. Look at the card not the grade for Kelloggs.

[ALR-bishop]

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[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I'm thinking of selling all my Kellogg cards in slabs. Many were graded 8's, 9's and 10's and I paid the price for them and now many are cracked. So I will have to sell them as PSA 9 ( but cracked). Lost a few $$$ on these. Look at the card not the grade for Kelloggs.

That's such a shame. If Kellogg's 3-D cards held up over time, they would be my absolute collecting focus. Digging those guys out of cereal boxes was the best thing ever, and they looked phenomenal!!!!!

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by Gr8Beldini

Is this a trick question? Of course I've never had it in my hand, but I do have eyeballs. Vast amounts of chrome have chipped away from the rim. But to defend against you getting me on another terminology loophole, maybe it didn't "chip" away... possible that it scuffed away, or rubbed away, or tarnished away, or peeled away, or endoplasmic reticulum-ed away. Use whatever terminology that makes you feel comfy cozy, but there is chrome missing from the rim of the coin. Much of it missing. That coin is at least 4 full grades over-graded.

....Whoa.....slow down there fella. Just asking a question....been a collector in many a hobby for 40 years. Have seen a good bit of odd things that appear otherwise. If it hasn't been in your hands you may not always be able to tell.

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Gr8--looks oxidized to me

Coin collectors call it toning. It is known to happen in PCGS holders.

[rjackson44]

Howard sold me like 8 coins very happy with them great condition on all..