NON HOF ALL-TIME TEAM

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

What combination of non-hof but hof eligible would make up your NON HOF ALL-TIME TEAM?

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Posted By: Julie

Chavez..3rd base
Tejada...short stop
Hoy...center field
Left field...need you ask? (Joe Jackson)
Bonds...Outfield
McGwire...first base. Elephant with great arms and soft hands.
P. Caruthers
p. Cicotte
Do Clemens and Pedro count?--shooins. (funny how we call "Clemens" by his last name and "Pedro" by his first name--I guess because of the miriad "Martinez"es!
c: Pudge Rodrigez
2nd base: I dunno. Move someone over from short...
outfield: O'Neill
3rd base: Graig Nettles

Suspect 19th century fielders: Hoy is supposed to have been great. I don't even know what position O'Neill played, but he sure could hit. Hoy can call him off the ball ( he could too!)

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Julie, although I agree that some of your listed players are great, the "rules" said HOF eligible... many of your listed are still active and therefore not eligible... Not trying to be an @ss but figured I'd point it out!

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Posted By: Andy Baran

C Ted Simmons
1B Don Mattingly
2B Ryne Sandberg
SS Bill Dahlen
3B Ron Santo
OF Jim Rice
OF Rip Van Haltren
OF Lefty O'Doul
SP Charlie Buffinton
SP Deacon Phillipe
SP Ed Reulbach
SP Lon Warneke
SP Carl Mays
SP Sam Leever
RP Lee Smith
RP Goose Gossage
RP Bruce Sutter

RES Dave Parker
RES Jimmy Ryan
RES Mike Donlin
RES Vern Stephens
RES Joe Torre

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Posted By: Julie

Don't guys lose their eligibility after a while? I know, I have 4-5 active players...

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Julie,

You have active players, players who have been retired for less than 5 years, and banned players on your list. Players in any of these categories are not eligible for the HOF.

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Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)

C: Deacon White (also 3B later in his career), Ted Simmons
1B Richie Allen (also OF)
2B Ryne Sandberg
3B Ron Santo
SS: Bill Dahlen
OF : Dale Murphy
OF : Pete Browning
OF : Harry Stovey/George Gore (great scorers)
P: Bobby Caruthers (also played outfield well)
P: Bert Blyleven
P: Jack Morris
P: Tony Mullane
RP: Bruce Sutter, Rich Gossage
PH/DH: Jim Rice, Tony Oliva
U: Geo Van Haltren, Jimmy Ryan
MGR: Billy Southworth (Technically I think Torre and COx are not yet elgible as Managers although Torre may belong notwithstanding his managing)
I'd also add Unpire Hank O'Day

Also, I would probably include some Negro League players (Biz Mackey, Mule Sutles and Cristobal Torreinti for starters) on this list but I'll let someone else make that call.

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Posted By: Julie

I don't believe J Jackson was banned from the HOF; just for life. People just sort of took it from there....

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Posted By: Anonymous

........there was no H.O.F.


How about Thurman Munson on that team?

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Posted By: Julie

it canme into existance--there were very few seconds.

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Posted By: Matt Goebel

From the Negro Leagues:

C Biz Mackey
1B Mule Suttles
2B Newt Allen
SS Dick Lundy
3B Oliver Marcelle
OF Cristobal Torriente
OF Pete Hill
OF Willard Brown
DH Jud Wilson
P Dick Redding
P Jose Mendez
P Ray Brown
P Nip Winters

And all are worthy HOF candidates!

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Posted By: PASJD

C Joe Torre
1b Don Mattingly
2b Pete Rose (Ryne Sandberg if Rose is outside the question)
Ss Bert Campaneris
3b Ken Boyer
Of Joe Jackson(Tony Oliva if Jackson is really ineligible)
Of Jim Rice
of Lefty O'Doul
P Sal Maglie
P Luis Tiant
P Bert Blyleven
P Vida Blue
P Don Newcombe

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Posted By: Pcelli60

1B Hodges
2B Milan
3B Santo
SS Dahlen
OF Jackson
OF Rose
OF O'Doul
C Simmons
P Phillippe

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

P - Jack Morris
P - Bruce Sutter
OF - Andre Dawson
OF - Dale Murphy
OF - Jim Rice
1b - Don Mattingly

These guys were DOMINANT in their days.

Too bad their "days" were not in the big era of national TV coverage by ESPN.



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Posted By: Gary B.

and I'm sure some many here would disagree, is (besides Pete Rose and Joe Jackson), there is no one on anyone's non-HOF list here that is just a screamingly obvious choice for inclusion. What this says to me is that everyone who is a very obvious choice makes it in, and many who are questionable or borderline make it in, but everyone who is a top tier level player ALWAYS makes it into the hall. I think it's interesting when people use the argument of someone being dominant in their time, as I don't think that's a great reason to let someone in. While Gary Carter (to use an example) may have been the dominant catcher of his era, is that reason enough to let him in? I'd be just fine with there being years, or even several year periods where you just don't let anyone in at all because they don't qualify. It's really sad that the standards of the Hall have been brought down by letting in some borderline players that never should have made it in the first place as it allows players of a similar ilk to then be let in. Of course no true hall of fame is complete without Rose and Jackson, but that's IMHO of course...

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Posted By: qualitycards.com

"I'd be just fine with there being years, or even several year periods where you just don't let anyone in at all because they don't qualify"

GARY - I agree!

However to have a year go by and have no one elected into Cooperstown would be a bad business decison for the Hall Of Fame. They generate huge revenue w/ each years induction. There are thousands of visitors during HOF weekend and all pay admission to visit the Hall be it individually or through membership. They issue commemorative bats, plates, lithos, FDC's and yearly programs. Plus the town is also connected. Local hotel/motel/B&B's are sold out months in advance, the resturants and local business thrive as well.
Quite frankly it puts Cooperstown on the map, even ESPN covers the induction ceremonies. To many, not having a HOF yearly induction is like not having a World Series.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Why wouldn't you include the dominant players of their era in the HOF. It's impossible to truely compare players across eras. All you can really do is compare them to their contemporaries. If they are the best when they played, then they should be in the HOF.

Right now, the most egregious omissions are Morris, the best pitcher of the 80s, Sutter who is one of the all-time great closers, and Rice. No batter was as feared as Rice until Barry Bonds. Pitchers would rather face Schmidt, Brett or any of the other great hitters of day rather than have to pitch to Rice. That alone should get you in the HOF.

Jay

I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: Anonymous

I really like the idea of " off years" at the Hall. Publicity and local economy not withstanding..

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Posted By: dennis

i think they could easily add another 25 worthy players. morris,rice,sutter should be in.cramer, blyleven,kaat,parker,cravath,sandberg,maris, hodges,minoso,dom dimaggio(he lost 3 prime years to military service). why keep these guys out?

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Posted By: Darren J Duet MD

C Thurman Munson
1B Don Mattingly
2B Ryne Sandberg
SS Bert Campanerias
3B Bill Madlock
OF Andre Dawson
OF Jim Rice
OF Dale Murphy
OF Dave Parker
Ut Jim Thorpe
SP Ron Guidry
SP Dave Stieb
SP Steve Rogers
SP Jack Morris
RP Jeff Reardon
DH Cecil Cooper

I believe that the HOF should be limited to a certain number of players Period. Let's say 50 -- any new inductee would mean someone would be coming out and become a HOF vet, but not active HOF -- The cream would stay cream. No guaruntees in making it in and not guarantees staying in. It would truly be the HONOR it was meant to be.

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Posted By: Pcelli60

I like your Sandberg, Rice, Parker, Munson, Morris, and I would add Ted Simmons..However I would rather see Concepcion instead of Campy. No Madlock, Dawson, Murphy, Carter, Mattingly..

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Posted By: jay behrens

without thinking too hard and going from the top of my head:

C-Boone
1B-Hrbek
2B-Grich or Sandberg. really tough to choose
3B-Santo
SS-Trammel
OF-Rice
OF-Oliva
OF-Parker
SP-Morris
SP-Rogers
SP-Stieb
SP-Byleven
RP-Sutter

Of those, I think Grich, Sandberg, Santo, Rice, Morris and Sutter belong in the HOF


Jay

I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.