Warning: Disturbing Autograph "Authentication" Material!

[RickGallway]

Disturbing autograph "authentication" material after the click:

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=11043

What a f*cking fiasco!

[tcdyess]

Wow, what a gread read.. thanks for posting it...

[travrosty]

This is something else, brings it to the next level. WOW!

They need to find out who consigned it the first time around, who bought it, and who consigned it the second time around, and the relationships between these consignors, buyers and all of the people involved in this transaction from the auction house, the authenticators, everybody. It's time they got to the bottom of this because it's not just someone's "opinion" anymore", it's gone today, here tomorrow.

First red flag is how a Wagner signature could be so light ont he original consignment when all the other signatures are a bold 9 or 10, and the first day cover doesn't show signs of duress or sun fading. Then how all the signatures could be deemed a 10 just two years later without the same authenticators remembering such a remarkable item, especially with the Ty Cobb signed letter of provenance.

The first thing an authenticator would remember in my opinion is "I remember that", "didn't it have a faded Wagner signature though?" It was just 2 years prior.

And he had to issue a new cert for it since it was now James Spence-PSA, while the first time around it was just James Spence. So there can't be an excuse that it already had a coa, no need to look at it again and issue another one, just use the first cert.

It was PSA backing spence the second time around so when he said all of the signatures were now a 10, that fancy spectral comparator machine must have not been plugged in?

As I ask each time something eye opening like this shows up - Is THIS enough now to realize there is a serious problem here with these same recurring companies?

[batsballsbases]

Disturbing to say the least! Why I always say this is why I stopped collecting autographed anything many years ago. To see all these FRANKENSTEIN pieces pop up years later to be questioned really makes you wonder if many of these items were real in the first place.Sad fact of life my friends is if there is money to be made someone will always find a way to expliot it for all it is worth. Sad part to me is all this " increditable material" sitting in great collections can it all be real? We are suppose to believe that a person with such vast knowledge of autographs issues a COA,LOA, Piece of garbage A, what ever you want to call it ,then a person puts down 10,20,30,40 thousand on an item,only to find out years later that it is fake,junk,garbage. Who is held accountable? Laughable fact is all these "experts" laugh at all the other "experts" when their items are called into question and deemed fake.
Fact: no one can tell even an "expert" that an autograph is 100% good or 100% bad. Its a GUESS. Eduacated as you think you are sorry its still a guess. Until someone puts money in an account to reimburse the poor guy who got stuck with your A$$ wipe LOA,COA then my friend you have no right calling yourself an expert.

[springpin]

What is the opinion of board members on fakes/forgeries in other areas of baseball collectibles? How about gloves, bats, uniforms, pennants, trophies, etc.? I find fantasies and reproductions in pinbacks, but they are not really all that common.

[RickGallway]

[yanks12025]

I just looked through Huggins and noticed this. Is this Gehrig good? Have never seen a auto like this.

http://hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/s...l?itemid=41451

[packs]

Boy do I wish I was related to Robert Ballard. I'd be suing the pants off of Mr. Spence and Mastro for ruining my grandfather's name.

[GrayGhost]

Wow. what a story. Maybe the second cover had the reverse invisible ink. This is getting wayyy out of hand...wow.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I just looked through Huggins and noticed this. Is this Gehrig good? Have never seen a auto like this.

http://hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/s...l?itemid=41451

It's gotta be good, it has a JSA LOA, doesn't it???