Vintage Cards Vs Vintage Patch Cards

[Moonlight Graham]

Hi-me again! I have another question that's been bothering me for quite awhile. Do vintage card collectors collect modern patch cards of vintage players? I notice all the time on ebay shoeless joe jackson bat cards for 100.00 or less and i'm blown away! Do collectors feel that these cards are fake? By that i mean do they feel the piece of bat or uniform is generic and may or may not belong to that player. Do you guys think that baseball card companies really have all these MLB bats and uniforms? Some of these cards are pretty cool i think but i wish the card companies would make these cards look more vintage instead of all these different color foils. What do you guys think? Thanks!

[vintagetoppsguy]

I personally don't like them and think it's a travesty to destroy a piece of baseball history like that.

[Moonlight Graham]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I personally don't like them and think it's a travesty to destroy a piece of baseball history like that.

I agree with that. However, i'm also surprised that such history is so cheap these days.

[rdixon1208]

Do the card companies even profess that the patch/bat or whatever actually belonged to the player on the card? I'm thinking they don't.

[Moonlight Graham]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

Do the card companies even profess that the patch/bat or whatever actually belonged to the player on the card? I'm thinking they don't.

i think they say something like "personally used in a major league game" and "relics of" (like relics of babe ruth, etc)

[vintagerookies51]

Do they just use pieces of an actual game-used jersey/bat? This might sound like a stupid question, but I would think there would be a lot more game-used full pieces if there weren't all these patches. Is that why there's usually only 1 game used jersey for a player?

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I personally don't like them and think it's a travesty to destroy a piece of baseball history like that.

+1

[doug.goodman]

Disgusting is a word that comes to mind.

Forgetting about the obvious issues of proving that the people who make these pieces of crap used an actual piece of equipment used or worn by the people they claim, I doubt that ANYBODY who is an actual fan / collector would have ANY interest in owning a piece of bat / jersey / helmet / right arm that belonged to _____________ (fill in legendary player name), if the only way to do so was to destroy the bat / jersey / helmet / right arm. Seeing it in a museum, or knowing that it is owned by somebody who loves it is plenty for me.

Doug

[thenextlevel]

Yes, I collect both vintage cards and vintage patch cards of most of the bigger name players. I actually have no problem with it, as long as they are not cutting up one of a kind items.

[fkw]

to be blunt I think of it all as modern gimmick garbage..

even if that sliver of wood or piece of cloth is from the Era, its not in its original form and has been altered significantly that you would never know what it was unless they told you.

The gimmick card it is attached to is "brand new" as well

the only one I can see maybe being somewhat OK, its the cut autograph cards, but then again they cut it from its original form and lost much of the story behind the autograph ie someones autograph book or maybe a letter...

a cut autograph is the lowest form of all autographs, yet this crowd that collects these pay far more for them because of the hype surrounding the pseudo-rarity... intentially "Limited Edition" (ie 1/1) is not rare, in the same case as something that has survived use and abuse over 50++ years and became rarer naturally over time or by natural limited supply.

those things are not even comparable IMO....

[novakjr]

Don't like the patch/swatch cards one bit...Well, at least for vintage. These are/were pieces of history. With modern players, I don't mind them as much, those jerseys or whatever are a dime a dozen. Hell, the players are probably given more jerseys to wear, just to account for these cards..

[ScottFandango]

i guess im in the minority but holding the ABSOLUTE MEMORABILIA Babe Ruth Card in your hand and feeling the wool with your fingers is magical....it evokes a timeless feeling, a feeling of nostalgia, and a feeling of GREATNESS...no joke...

much better for 500 people to enjoy this than 1 person who owned the jersey....

its not like the jersey is burnt away and destroyed, if anything the card preserves and displays the piece of jersey very nicely...

[bbcard1]

I have a confession to make...I do collect some shiny stuff. My collection is mostly serial numbered cards, first or last cards, like number 001/100 or 250/250. I got a nice George Sisler bat card numbered 25/25 for about $12 the other day... how do you pass on that?

[tbob]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I personally don't like them and think it's a travesty to destroy a piece of baseball history like that.

+2

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I personally don't like them and think it's a travesty to destroy a piece of baseball history like that.

+3

Also, they're cheap because I think most vintage collectors feel this same way. Plus, the supply gets so watered down from them making 500+ ? cards or more from a single jersey or bat....Then to top it off, they encase these pieces with a glossy, shiny, foily modern frame, that's just ugly...

I have no issue with the modern player cuts, because the supplies aren't limited at all, the market is flooded with extra bats and jerseys to account for these cards. Just leave the vintage player stuff alone!

That being said, feel free to snatch them up if you feel they are genuine bargains. I feel like sometimes they go for the low prices they do because they make some people want to vomit....

[calvindog]

Gee, maybe they're cheap because they're not real?

[ScottFandango]

is $1000 cheap? im confused

you can get a bunch of ruth cards for less than that....

anyone ever see the Jim Thrope Jersey card? another card that is AWESOME to touch and feel!!!

[yanksfan09]

Yeah I got my Red Goudey #149 graded fair for about that price with nice eye appeal....Would I trade that for a cut up piece of unverified cloth surrounded by a cheesy modern cardboard frame......tempting....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Gee, maybe they're cheap because they're not real?

What, they might not be fake? No way.......You must have missed all of the people having legal issues lately in the sports memorabilia field? I have a laundry basket of rags too......just think, I could be rich, rich, rich (yes, Iggy, that kind of rich....Rich Luckey ........)

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...s-in-evidence/

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...ed-with-fraud/



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