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[bobbyw8469]

Maybe use a different authenticator?

[HRBAKER]

And so now we live with the monster we helped create..............and complain about it.

Just submit them 5 or 6 times each until you get what you want.

If that is the real reason they are rejecting these certain players ("too many on the market") then they should refuse to accept them for review and not cash your check.

[Klrdds]

I think most autograph collectors erroneously believed that with Grad and some of the old authenticators at PSA gone and the Big 3 brought in that things would change , but as I have posted several times before concerning this there may be new faces at PSA but the song remains the same (forgive me Led Zepplin fans like myself ). Before Jim retired he and I talked many times for a long time over several weeks about how there would not really be any change at PSA with the Big 3 there now as PSA's saviors and in fact how It (PSA) would become harder in many ways to deal with especially concerning the rare autographs and anything on unofficial non-legal items . They are out now to cover their asses in as many ways possible after Grad's many publicized screw ups even if it means rejecting items in more numbers than before . Remember too that the Big 3 don't see every item or for that matter most items sent to PSA , so PSA's grading is still done by essentially the same untrained staff as before . Jim was right in so many ways about the future and the Big 3 and PSA, and we as collectors are left to suffer at their very whim no matter the authenticity of our items .
It will only get worse with time as long as AHs , dealers, and collectors give PSA , and JSA the power that they DO NOT deserve .

[tazdmb]

I have seen JSA pass some real slop lately, i hate to agree with the other poster, but perhaps you should try JSA instead. This is not an endorsement of JSA, but may get you the best chance of selling them for fair value.

Kevin Keating told me 2 years ago at the national after PSA failing a George Wright that he thought was good-"Go try JSA".

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

I have seen JSA pass some real slop lately, i hate to agree with the other poster, but perhaps you should try JSA instead. This is not an endorsement of JSA, but may get you the best chance of selling them for fair value.

Kevin Keating told me 2 years ago at the national after PSA failing a George Wright that he thought was good-"Go try JSA".

Did you? Whatever happened to your Wright? And is this any different than card guys grade shopping? They're all just opinions, after all, right?

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Did you? Whatever happened to your Wright? And is this any different than card guys grade shopping? They're all just opinions, after all, right?

No, I did bring it back to PSA this year with new authticators and....it failed. However, PSA did not charge me again for failing and was explained why he thought it was no good. I still think it may be good but have since replaced it with a no doubter. IMHO, the difference between this and grading is there is much more wiggle room for grading. With this it is either good or no good. Obviously, certain opinions are worth more than others.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

No, I did bring it back to PSA this year with new authticators and....it failed. However, PSA did not charge me again for failing and was explained why he thought it was no good. I still think it may be good but have since replaced it with a no doubter. IMHO, the difference between this and grading is there is much more wiggle room for grading. With this it is either good or no good. Obviously, certain opinions are worth more than others.

You wouldn't try it with JSA on ethical grounds, even when you are convinced it's good? I had no idea their reputation had gotten that bad that shopping something to them would feel like an ethical lapse.

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

You wouldn't try it with JSA on ethical grounds, even when you are convinced it's good? I had no idea their reputation had gotten that bad that shopping something to them would feel like an ethical lapse.

I actually had a great breakfast with Steve Grad Friday and talked to him about many things, including the Wright. Long story short, the Wright passed Beckett authentication. Based on the history of the signature coupled with I always thought it was good, I was not surprised.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

And so now we live with the monster we helped create..............and complain about it.

Just submit them 5 or 6 times each until you get what you want.

If that is the real reason they are rejecting these certain players ("too many on the market") then they should refuse to accept them for review and not cash your check.

Point 1 - How sad but true.
Point 2 - Funny,,but who wants to spend more than the autograph is worth
Point 3 - That would be what an ethical business would do.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I'm sure some of you guys thought I just had sour grapes. Unfortunately, as I said previously, this is commonplace now. Why would I submit one thing to PSA now when I run the risk of having quality authentic items not pass. Now if I got a refund, I may not complain, but we all know that is not the case.

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Maybe use a different authenticator?

Even though Beckett and SGC may be good , the truth unfortunately is that PSA and to some extent JSA are still kings of the autograph authentication market .