W600 Sporting Life Cabinets - different mount types

[h2oya311]

I was looking at past W600 Sporting Life threads and was trying to find out more information about the different mounts. Here's a good thread to get you up to speed if you aren't familiar with this early 20th century issue:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ht=w600&page=3

Has anyone already gone through the lists of checklisted W600's and determined the dates that the four (five if you include the green mount Waddell) different mount types would/could have been issued?

This is the most comprehensive checklist I've seen to date, but perhaps there are experts out there who have additional information that could help.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/w/w600/w600list.asp

I know, for example, that Sam Crawford has both a Type 3 and Type 4 mount available for his "Uniform" version, despite what is in the checklist above.

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I would speculate that the photos would have been kept by Sporting Life and only mounted to the Cabinets once an order came in. The different cabinet styles could then, theoretically, be used to determine the date the cabinet was issued/produced. So, using David (Davy) Jones example, someone ordered his card in say, 1908, and got the Davy Jones (Chicago) photo mounted to a Type 4 cabinet. While the photo is certainly from 1904 (since he changed teams in 1906), the cabinet itself may have been from a later date as Sporting Life got rid of stock.

I'm asking because this is an important distinction for someone with a HOF "rookie" card passion (err...disease).

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Using this logic, it's clear that all the type 1 cabinets were issued in 1902.

The type 2's were likely issued in 1903, even though some players may have had their photos available for sale in 1902 (like Beckley). Conceivably, there could then be a Jake Beckley with both a Type 1 and Type 2 mount, although only a Type 2 has been discovered to date. This is the case with Fred Clarke where he has been found on both a Type 1 and Type 2 mount for the same image (in suit).

The type 3's would have been issued from 1904-YYYY.

And the type 4's would have been issued from (YYYY)-1912/13.

The question is, can we pinpoint the YYYY? This would help me determine if a particular W600 falls into the "rookie" category on my checklists. There are a few players who had team changes in the 1904-1908 timeframe that could help pinpoint the date that type 4 mounts first started making their way into circulation, or rather, when type 3's were no longer used by Sporting Life.

If a type 3 existed of:

> Edward Abbaticchio (in Pittsburg uniform), we could deduce that YYYY = 1907
> Clarence Beaumont (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Charles Brown (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Walter Clarkson (in Cleveland uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Otis Clymer (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Andrew Coakley (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1907
> W.M. Congalton (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> T.W. Corcoran (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1907
> James Delahanty (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1907
> James Delahanty (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1907
> William Dineen (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1907
> William Duggleby (in Pittsburg uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Patrick Flaherty (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Charles Fraser (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Robert Ganley (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1907
> John Ganzell (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Charles Hickman (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1907
> George Howard (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Fred Jacklitsch (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Harry Jacobson (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Hugh Jennings (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Michael Kahoe (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Michael Kahoe (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Frank Kitson (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1907
> John Knight (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Michael Lynch (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1907
> James McGuire (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Samuel Mertes (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Earl Moores (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1907
> George Nill (in Cleveland uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Peter O'Brien (in Cleveland uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Peter O'Brien (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Claude Ritchey (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Claude Rossman (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = 1907
> Joseph Yeager (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1907

> James Barrett (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> John C. Barry (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> David Brain (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Herbert Briggs (in Brooklyn uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> James Burke (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Charles Carr (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> James Casey (in Brooklyn uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Lafayette Cross (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> James Delahanty (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Frank Donahue (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Patrick Donovan (in Brooklyn uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Patrick Dougherty (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Charles Fraser (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Harry Gessler (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> William Hallman (in Pittsburg uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Edward Hanlon (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Charles Harper (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Daniel Hoffman (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> George Howard (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Harry Jacobson (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> David Jones (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Frank Kitson (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> William Maloney (in Brooklyn uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> William Marshal (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> John McCarthy (in Brooklyn uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> John McCloskey (in St. Louis inform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Samuel Mertes (in St. Louis inform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Charles McFarland (in Pittsburg uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> John J. O'Neil (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Michael J. O'Neil (in Brooklyn uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Frank Pfeiffer (in Boston uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Oliver Pickering (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Frank Roth (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> J. Bentley Seymour (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> W.P. Shannon (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> James Sheckard (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Alexander Smith (in New York uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Homer Smoot (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> William Sudhoff (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> John Townsend (in Cleveland uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> John Warner (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Jacob Weimer (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Robert Wicker (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Otto Williams (in Washington uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Vic Willis (in Pittsburg uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907
> Howard Wilson (in Cleveland uniform), YYYY = 1906 or 1907

> John Anderson (in Washington uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> John C. Barry (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> David Brain (in Pittsburgh uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> William Bransfield (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Jesse Burkett (in Boston uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> William Clark (in New York uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Richard Cooley (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Harry Dolan (in Boston uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Thomas Doran (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Charles Fraser (in Boston uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Frank Hahn (in New York uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Charles Hickman (in Washington uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Otto Jordan (in Cleveland uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Michael Kahoe (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Otto Krueger (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Henry Peitz (in Pittsburg uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Edward Phelps (in Cincinnati uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Charles Pittinger (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Frank Roth (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> James Sebring (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> J.B. Stanley (in Washington uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Harry Steinfeldt (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Samuel Strang (in New York uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Ernest Vinson (in Chicago uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> John Warner (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> John Warner (in Detroit uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Arthur Weaver (in St. Louis uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Otto Williams (in Philadelphia uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Harry Wolverton (in Boston uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907
> Joseph Yeager (in New York uniform), YYYY = b/w 1905-1907

Given that Cobb is only known with a Type 4 mount and his card was issued starting in 1907, I would guess that YYYY is probably not after 1908. The same holds for Eddie Collins, although his popularity would have paled in comparison to Cobb. I suppose if there are any other players who were issued in 1907 or 1908 with a type 3 mount, this would help pinpoint the date that these mounts stopped being used.

I hope some great members here can help find examples of Type 3 mounts that can help me pinpoint the date of issuance for each cabinet type.