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Old 12-27-2017, 06:00 PM
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I have to assume the gloves were less padded in the earlier days so those shots had to really hurt.

Were there a lot of blood baths back in the days?
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Old 12-28-2017, 09:12 AM
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I have to assume the gloves were less padded in the earlier days so those shots had to really hurt.

Were there a lot of blood baths back in the days?
If you go way back, during the latter 19th century there was a gloved champion and a bare knuckle champion. John L. Sullivan notably held both titles at one point. While I wasn't there, certainly there must have been many a blood bath in those days.
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I think another reason why Tyson is more popular than his actual ranking is the state of the sport of boxing. Most of the guys we're talking about fought when boxing was one of, if not the, most popular sports in America. When Tyson fought, boxing was a wasteland of fraud, criminals, and drugs. He stood out more in that era because there wasn't much else at the time. For those collecting boxing cards of fighters they saw, who are they going to be drawn to? Of course it's going to be the carnival show that was Mike Tyson.

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Old 12-28-2017, 11:55 AM
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I just was blown away at what a wrecking machine he was. Boxers for good reason were legit scared to fight the guy.
David, have you read Tyson's autobiography from 4-5 years ago? It is an amazing read; he is brutally honest and reflective. One of the anecdotes he tells in the book is a story of walking down the street a few years ago and hearing a young girl tell her father, "Hey, there's Mike Tyson, the actor from 'The Hangover.'" It was at that moment that it dawned on Tyson that an entire generation does not have any idea that he was once the undisputed heavyweight champion.

Tyson talks about every major fight he had and the back story behind each fight. Tyson talked about the pre-fight staredown in the middle of the ring before a fight and that if a guy did not look him in the eye, Tyson knew the guy was scared. One guy Tyson mentions in particular as being scared was Frank Bruno, who Tyson said drew a cross on his chest with his finger numerous times before their first fight.

If I am not mistake, don't you work as a financial adviser? If so, you will probably appreciate this story. Tyson talked about pissing away hundreds of millions of dollars and having a forensic accountant examine his finances. One of the things the accountant found was a long forgotten IRA that Cus D'Amato had set up for Tyson shortly before D'Amato died.

The IRA had grown to $250,000 by the time Tyson's accountant found it. Upon being informed that D'Amato had set up this IRA for him, Tyson sat and cried because D'Amato was the only guy who wasn't trying to rip him off financially.

Tyson is brutally honest in the book when talking about his low self-esteem, depression, self-hatred.

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Old 12-28-2017, 12:20 PM
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I regularly park across the street from Tyson's old house in Farmington, CT (50 Cents house now), to access a hiking trail near where I live.

The thing is gargantuan. It's no wonder Tyson went broke........and 50 Cent is following suit.................and I think at the time, it was only one of several houses he owned at the same time.
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:32 PM
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David, have you read Tyson's autobiography from a 4-5 years ago? It is an amazing read; he is brutally honest and reflective. One of the anecdotes he tells in the book is a story of walking down the street a few years ago and hearing a young girl tell her father, "Hey, there's Mike Tyson, the actor from 'The Hangover.'" It was at that moment that it dawned on Tyson that an entire generation does not have any idea that he was once the undisputed heavyweight champion.

Tyson talks about every major fight he had and the back story behind each fight. Tyson talked about the pre-fight staredown in the middle of the ring before a fight and that if a guy did not look him in the eye, Tyson knew the guy was scared. One guy Tyson mentions in particular as being scared was Frank Bruno, who Tyson said drew a cross on his chest with his finger numerous times before their first fight.

If I am not mistake, don't you work as a financial adviser? If so, you will probably appreciate this story. Tyson talked about pissing away hundreds of millions of dollars and having a forensic accountant examine his finances. One of the things the accountant found was a long forgotten IRA that Cus D'Amato had set up for Tyson shortly before D'Amato died.

The IRA had grown to $250,000 by the time Tyson's accountant found it. Upon being informed that D'Amato had set up this IRA for him, Tyson sat and cried because D'Amato was the only guy who wasn't trying to rip him off financially.

Tyson is brutally honest in the book when talking about his low self-esteem, depression, self-hatred.

Great post.

I do have the book but haven't made it very far with it. It is a tough read early on when talking about his childhood. Your post already convinced me I need to pick it back up.

Yes I am a financial advisor and it is amazing what money can do if left untouched. It is easier said than done with the 24 hour news cycle.

Just to out of curiosity I watched some Foreman clips and he fought a bunch of out of shape guys too.

What is interesting to me about the collectability of Tyson is when I first started posting on card message boards it was because I was researching the Tyson sticker and found a post on CU talking about the little bidding war I got into with another collector in 2010 and signed up to comment. I won the sticker for $82 and immediately went and cleaned out Martin Bradford who was the only person with stickers for sale. I bought 4 more of the Panini for $15 to $25 a pop and three of the 88 ones for something similar. I started posting about it and most thought because of Tyson's personal history they had no chance to rise. Thankfully a seller from Cyprus had a hoard of the 86 Panini and I loaded up on pack fresh copies. Myself and another guy from the CU board sent in copies to PSA at the same time and his popped first and was a UK back and mine second which was the first Italian back to be graded. I was thrilled when they ran up initially and shocked when they doubled basically overnight and while they have backed off a little I still think they are under priced relative to other major rookies. Time will tell. I sold off a good number over the years and now have a 10 which I bought, 5 9's, an 8 and a UK 8 and a beater. I am waiting to buy a UK 10 because it isn't the rookie and overtime the market is more broadly realizing it. I get emails from random people asking to buy one of my copies but they are staying in my collection.

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Old 12-28-2017, 12:46 PM
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Nice story on the Panini Tysons. If I'd cleaned house on them back in the day I'd probably be more of a booster too. I didn't get on that train but I am hoping that Anthony Joshua pans out (salted away some 2012 Panini Adrenalyn when the pickings were easy).

Paninis are under-respected generally. If you're trying for a HOF collection as I am and you want career-issued cards I think you more or less have to have several Paninis in there: 1973 Duran, Foreman 1982 Hagler 1986 Tyson 1988 Chavez. There are quite a few other HOFers with cards and/or RCs in the sets, but these are really the biggest names' earliest cards. What I find curious is the lack of respect for them relative to other sets like the Mira Tuttosport. Man are those cards pricey by comparison. I have a middle of the road specimen in my type cards because I don't want to pay up to improve it. I also don't think the market prices in the Panini Valida backs accordingly.
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Nice story on the Panini Tysons. If I'd cleaned house on them back in the day I'd probably be more of a booster too. I didn't get on that train but I am hoping that Anthony Joshua pans out (salted away some 2012 Panini Adrenalyn when the pickings were easy).

Paninis are under-respected generally. If you're trying for a HOF collection as I am and you want career-issued cards I think you more or less have to have several Paninis in there: 1973 Duran, Foreman 1982 Hagler 1986 Tyson 1988 Chavez. There are quite a few other HOFers with cards and/or RCs in the sets, but these are really the biggest names' earliest cards. What I find curious is the lack of respect for them relative to other sets like the Mira Tuttosport. Man are those cards pricey by comparison. I have a middle of the road specimen in my type cards because I don't want to pay up to improve it. I also don't think the market prices in the Panini Valida backs accordingly.


What gave me more confidence that Tyson was a winner is the legacy of Panini boxing. I just couldn't see how my generations boxing king wouldn't be valuable.

In general boxing seems under priced. I don't have a connection to most of it so it really isn't for me but I think those that do will be rewarded one day. You can't just get on EBAY and find what you are looking for.

Yes I am a booster! 1982-83 Wrestling All Stars and Mike Tyson! Haha.
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David, you practically single-handedly created the Panini Tyson market. You either bought or bid up every one that hit eBay for a period of time all while posting nonstop on CU about them and boasting about how their value would soar. I don't expect you to take a different stance on Tyson the boxer for obvious reasons but I thought a little transparency might be good for the conversation.

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David, you practically single-handedly created the Panini Tyson market. You either bought or bid up every one that hit eBay for a period of time all while posting nonstop on CU about them and boasting about how their value would soar. I don't expect you to take a different stance on Tyson the boxer for obvious reasons but I thought a little transparency might be good for the conversation.

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Yes that is true. I was very optimistic about the potential and was quite vocal about it.

I did the same thing with the wrestling cards. I have no problem disclosing any of my motives because everyone was wrong any ways. I still have at least 99% of the cards I have purchased. My grand pump and dump never came to be.

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