"The Monster" is the name I gave T206

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Posted By: Bill Heitman

So why doesn't anyone respond to my threads? Thanks to the only one who has.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

After nearly completing FOUR sets of "The Monster" since I read your book in 1981, I no longer consider it a "monster".

1.....521 cards (includes Magie)

2.....520 cards (- Big 4)

3.....519 cards....all-PIEDMONT backs (includes "poor-man's" Joe Doyle)

4.....409 cards....all-SOVEREIGN backs (need Red Cobb/460 back to complete set of 410)

5.....Now working on an all-SWEET CAPORAL Factory 30 set (470 cards).....I still need 260 cards.


Need Broad Leaf 460 to complete my T206 backs subset.


Regards,

TED Z

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Hey Bill, hello Ted...


520 is my goal. And I don't think that is the end, it seems a reasonable stopping point.


Notwithstanding Ted's 4 successes and imminent 5th, Bill's moniker seems appropriate. I'd consider our Ted as being our St. George slaying the Dragon.

But 524 is slaying The Monster.

520, 521, even 523 is beating the Monster into submission. Ted's done that 4 times, few of us have managed it once.


And thanks for the posts, guys, keep them coming.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I won't be making any substantive responses to your threads because of Sult07 on ebay. Your practice of ending auctions early together with your email persona evidences to me that you're just not worth the bother.

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Posted By: Jason L

I don't understand the original post, Bill. Are you saying you gave the set the nickname and you don't know why no one responds to this post?
How can you complain that no one has responded to your post when you are in the process of writing it?
which posts are you speaking of?
not trying to be snotty, I just don't understand the context here...


By the way, anyone else think it's fun that the first two posts were "Bill & Ted?"

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Posted By: Matt

Excellent!

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Posted By: barrysloate

Adventure!

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Bogus!

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Posted By: cmoking

I'll meet you guys at the Circle K.

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Posted By: Jay

How can a set be "The Monster" when you can buy a virtually complete set (or several) in any major auction?

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

For some reason I don't think this is really Bill.

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

If anyone needs me, I'll be in the magic phone booth with Rufus and So-Crates.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

missinginaction5@aol.com is the poster.

I have dealt with him at wheitman@aol.com

Bill or no Bill my response stands.

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Posted By: Aaron Conyers

I do know that missinginaction5@aol.com is Bill's email address.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I have exchanged emails with Bill in the past; and, this email address is the real Bill.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Mark

edited due to anonymity...nothing personal...put your name out here and say what you want to.....it's the rule...(moderator)

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Posted By: dstudeba

For some reason I think this is really Bill.

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Posted By: Nelson

I invented the question mark.

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Posted By: leon

You need to put your name by your post above or I will delete it. You are welcome to your views and welcome to espouse them but you can't be anonymous or only put a first name when not well known. Definitely nothing personal here.....regards

ps...for the record I have always had good dealings and conversations with Bill.....

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Posted By: Aaron Conyers

Looks like Bill asked a question on the following thread (last post)that was not answered.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1207867727/last-1208497914/T206+Big+3

He then started another thread with the same question and did not get alot of responses. http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1208763429/last-1208793102/T206+Plank+Restored

I'm guessing he is just trying to understand the lack of responses.

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Posted By: Matt

Aaron - he asked for a link to the thread and Wonka provided it to him...

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Posted By: Steve Murray

What more does he want?

(I know that's a stupid question. He wants attention and we're not all falling over on ourselves to accomodate).

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Posted By: Aaron Conyers

Yes I agree Matt. It seems that the link would be the answer to his question.

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Posted By: Elliot

Leon, Mark (MorrellMan) is a legitimate poster and is well known by me.

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Posted By: Wesley

I know Mark, but who is this "Elliot" character vouching for him?

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Posted By: Dave F

Elliot is the old board moderator. I'll vouch for him if someone will vouch for me.

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Posted By: Bob

I'll vouch for you Dave
I have always had great dealings with Bill H. also. (and no, he has never ended an auction early and sold me a card or sold one out from under me). We have spoken on the phone and emailed in the past and he has always seemed very cordial and easy to get along with...

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I stand corrected...however it seems out of the ordinary for Bill to start a thread like this. I saw two other posts this morning by him that seemed unusual also which is why I thought it was a troll.

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Posted By: barrysloate

His comment to me on my auction thread had a hint of hostility, and I don't know why.

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Posted By: leon

I am glad he is known by you. He isn't by me and is about to have his post deleted....thanks

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Posted By: Jim F

Barry. His comment to you in your auction thread showed a total lack of class. Jim.

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Posted By: Rob D.

Barry,

I thought the "Congrats on what little you have" comment might be an inside joke between you two.

And on a different note, I hope "The Monster" isn't copyrighted, because I use it on occasion, but in a non-card-related kind of way.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

That post was bizarre. Out of Left Field to use a baseball expression.

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Posted By: Joe D.

admittedly, it took reading Jodi's post for me to catch the earlier excellent references.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Rob- not an inside joke, because I do not know Bill at all. We have never spoken, and maybe at most exchanged a comment or two on the board. Therefore, don't understand why he would say that.

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Posted By: rob

This may be stretching it, but perhaps he meant you have a superior collection wrapped in a small package. In other words, all your items are top notch and there are not hundreds of them, just select, quality ones. Just a possible translation although this highlights one of the drawbacks of these posts, e-mails and such. There is no frame of voice reflection or context to help clarify the message. Or he could be a total jackie, I wouldnt know him if he knocked on my door.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I think missing in action is a correct email address for Mr. Heitman, although it may well not be his only one.

Has a complete, I mean 524 card complete, set of the white border tobacco cards, T206, ever sold at one time to one buyer?? I think The Monster is still an appropriate name.


I think of the inspiration for Mr. Ritter's book, Ecclesiasticus, chapter 44 verse 7. And I think of the Commandments. Ten of 'em, there is one about honoring father and mother, but not one about honoring a son or daughter... And I think that is for good reason.

So I acknowledge a debt of gratitude to Mr. Heitman, for his early hobby work. Realistically, almost all modern collectors of T206 benefit from Mr. Heitman's efforts years ago.


What was it that great pitcher for the New York Mammoths, Henry Wiggen said at the end... "From here on in, I rag nobody."

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Posted By: barrysloate

Rob- he may not have meant anything negative at all, and you are right that not everything translates precisely on a chat board. That's why I didn't make a big deal of it. But it didn't strike me as an overly friendly comment. No big deal, I guess.

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Posted By: Rob D.

Barry,

Well, if it wasn't an inside joke, I don't blame you at all for perceiving it as a rather low blow. Pretty puzzling.

Edited to add I just saw that Barry was responding to a different Rob.

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Posted By: Jay

Frank--Any set where the only thing preventing completion is money is no monster. The monsters are the sets that cannot be completed, or are almost impossible to complete, regardless of one's finances.

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Posted By: Jason L

I still don't understand this thread.

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Posted By: Aaron Patton

...waiting for an applesauce post

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jay- you could get a complete set of 523 at any time with sufficient funds. But the "monster" is the sum of all the front/back combinations. That's up there in difficulty with all the Old Judge poses.

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Posted By: Matt

I like applesauce.

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Posted By: Wesley

I need five cards for completion for the "Monster" E102 set and look forward to winning two of them in Barry's auction.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Jay, I understand your view, and I basically agree.


I actually enjoyed the hunt that was involved in finding a card, years ago. Today there's not much hunt left. For the most part a fellow can find a card on eBay or somewhere, then if he throws money at it he'll get the card. And that is about where T206 front collecting is today. I see what Barry says, the backs make it the monster.


I'm still hunting for T210 series 6 cards of Angermeier fielding, and of Whitaker. That is a hunt for me. I just don't see either for sale anywhere. I'm about ready to swap my raggedy T200 premium in on a deal if it frees up those 2 cards.

I'm 513 cards into the white border tobacco cards, I understand why folks still embrace Mr. Heitman's name for the cards.

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Posted By: peter ullman

personally...I've owned Bill's t206 book...the monster...for over 15 years...and it was the standard for a while. I also...had a less than pleasing experience with heitman on ebay about a year or so ago where I made an offer to end an ebay auction early...which he basically agreed to then renegged...so I also have a little less respect for him.

peter ullman

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Posted By: Mark Hellman

Nothing infuriates me more than someone selling PSA cards and doesn't disclose the qualifier, then ignores the buyer's emails regarding his dissatisfaction....

"The Crook" is the name I give you, sir.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Attaboy, Mark. If at first you don't succeed...

-Al

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Posted By: andy becker

hey mark,
welcome to the wild west

and who is this elliot character????????