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Old 10-12-2018, 07:36 AM
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Default PSA vs SGC value

I had heard that SGC was closing the gap but not with a card I just sold.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-W...d=302907756033

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Hugh-D...AAAOSwxidboVn4



Full grade difference and 1c apart!

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Old 10-12-2018, 08:19 AM
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IMO the SGC 5 would grade a 4 if resubmitted. Plus I think the PSA version looks better.
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:44 AM
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Yes, the two cards present with similar attributes. I bet your recently-sold 5 would grade a 4 with PSA if resubmitted.

People are buying the card...not the......well, you know
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Old 10-12-2018, 12:38 PM
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Yes, the two cards present with similar attributes. I bet your recently-sold 5 would grade a 4 with PSA if resubmitted.

People are buying the card...not the......well, you know
Mine was the 4
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Old 10-12-2018, 12:53 PM
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Mine was the 4
Then you should be stoked. It's no big secret that PSA brings more than SGC. Add to the fact that the PSA one was the nicer looking card, and there is your monetary difference right there.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:14 PM
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PSA grades tougher. Not always, but usually an SGC 5 is a PSA 4. PSA early 20th century tobacco era cards sell for significantly more than SGC graded cards in almost all cases. 19th century is a bit different as SGC is still strong there. In a related subject SGC grades S-74 silks and uses a criteria that makes no sense at all . At the National the line for PSA was very long. SGC had no line and they were terribly unorganized. I dont see SGC closing the gap on PSA if anything it is widening. With cards being so valuable it is safer to have valuable cards in PSA holders.
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Old 10-12-2018, 03:40 PM
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PSA Old Judges sell for a lot more than their SGC counterparts. In my opinion, this contest is over, PSA wins by a mile.
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Old 10-12-2018, 03:49 PM
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Where did you hear SGC was closing the gap? From their website?
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Without challenging the premise that PSA outsells SGC, i don’t think a comparison between these two auctions is all that informative to support that premise. Some collectors lost out on an SGC 60 Duffy AB 460 in September. Two folks who may have been shut out then decide to bid at the same price level on a PSA 4 of the same card a few weeks later, and wind up at nearly the same exact price. Obviously, the SGC sale was informing the PSA sale, but not necessarily because of the grade differential. Could just be that the same folks want a nice AB 460 Duffy, and the actual grade differential - or even condition differential - was not driving the price.

A better comparison would be the same T206 card in a PSA 4 and an SGC 4 selling in the same auction and ending at the same time.
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Without challenging the premise that PSA outsells SGC, i don’t think a comparison between these two auctions is all that informative to support that premise. Some collectors lost out on an SGC 60 Duffy AB 460 in September. Two folks who may have been shut out then decide to bid at the same price level on a PSA 4 of the same card a few weeks later, and wind up at nearly the same exact price. Obviously, the SGC sale was informing the PSA sale, but not necessarily because of the grade differential. Could just be that the same folks want a nice AB 460 Duffy, and the actual grade differential - or even condition differential - was not driving the price.

A better comparison would be the same T206 card in a PSA 4 and an SGC 4 selling in the same auction and ending at the same time.


A great hypothetical experiment would to have the exact same card graded by each company, then photos of the card it the respective holders used for different auction entries and set up like you said (same end time).That way, there is no difference with the card, but we could actually see what the price difference for the flip would be.
Not ever going to happen, of course...


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Old 10-13-2018, 11:32 AM
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I’ve had countless caramel cards I’ve cracked from an SGC holder and submitted to PSA and got a better grade. SGC is tough on caramels but quite fair/accurate overall imo. We’ve covered this topic many times, and the PSA registry has helped in like grades at times on price. I’ll buy an SGC card in the same grade any day. A Ruth E121 SGC 3.5 just sold for 33k, which isn’t too shabby. Not sure a PSA 3.5 has ever sold for close to that much. Just an example the PSA over SGC price doesn’t always add up.


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A sample size of 1 is hardly conclusive of anything. This comparison only demonstrated that a higher grade on the flip does not always equate to more money. The SGC example, as has been pointed out, appeared to be a weaker example for the grade and consistent with the condition of the lower graded PSA example. I would guess, based on condition, the market was spot on in the valuation of the two cards.

I have been seeing recently graded SGC material doing better. Time will tell how that shakes out in the market but I hope it continues for them and for us. Competition is vital to life on Earth.
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+1 As has been pointed out many times the main place there will be price differences is in registry competition. A vg caramel card in either companies holder holds about the same weight to me. I think SGC is a bit better at vintage but I am biased too.

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A sample size of 1 is hardly conclusive of anything. This comparison only demonstrated that a higher grade on the flip does not always equate to more money. The SGC example, as has been pointed out, appeared to be a weaker example for the grade and consistent with the condition of the lower graded PSA example. I would guess, based on condition, the market was spot on in the valuation of the two cards.

I have been seeing recently graded SGC material doing better. Time will tell how that shakes out in the market but I hope it continues for them and for us. Competition is vital to life on Earth.
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Be interested to know how Beckett stacks up against PSA and SGC relative to current values on pre-war cards. My own experience is that they are a distant third when competing against the other two in an auction format but can offer some great opportunities for nice cards properly graded.
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+1 As has been pointed out many times the main place there will be price differences is in registry competition. A vg caramel card in either companies holder holds about the same weight to me. I think SGC is a bit better at vintage but I am biased too.


Leon-There is really no registry on Old Judges and PSA kicks SGC's ass on price.
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:19 PM
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Be interested to know how Beckett stacks up against PSA and SGC relative to current values on pre-war cards. My own experience is that they are a distant third when competing against the other two in an auction format but can offer some great opportunities for nice cards properly graded.
I haven't seen a lot of BVG sales. But, it seems there are quite a few sellers still trying to get PSA prices for them. I can't speak to their prewar cards, but I've seen a number of 50's and 60's cards they've graded that were obviously short. Maybe things are better now.
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