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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Of Net54 members....or, even if we can determine it for the entire collecting community ? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Ted, |
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Posted By: Jim
I would estimate a dozen in Non Sports pre 1960. |
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Posted By: Tim Newcomb
"In fact past either 1960 or 1970, the vast majority are psa 8 or 9 collectors." |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I frequently scan the PSA and SGC set registry's and I don't see that many cards (or sets) graded "8's" in the VINTAGE category. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Are we talking E97's or 1966 Topps? |
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Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Ted--agreed. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Bruce is right on the money (are you amazed I am so agreeable?) |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I'm uncomfortable owning cards graded better than 50. I only have a few examples that are graded 50 or higher, like my e92 Nadja Oakes, that I won't sell because they are absolute favorite cards of mine and don't want to part with them. In general, I sell off my high grade cards because I can easily replace them with a lower grade card and add a number of other cards to my collection with extra money. |
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Posted By: doug
While I dont think there are very many true collectors who collect "exclusively" PSA 8 or better sportscards, there are obviously thousands of collectors who collect sportscards and when affordable would prefer to have a card graded PSA 8 or better (who wouldnt want a mint condition cracker jack cobb over a poor condition one?). Collecting only PSA 8 or better would severely limit a collectors choice of cards to collect only the 1950s sets and later because of rarity and price of PSA 8 cards. Condition is very important in card collecting for the vast majority of collectors but my budget limits me and many other collectors to pick and choose whether I buy a PSA 8 1933 Goudey or a handful of lesser condition Goudeys. Sure Id rather have all my cards in mint condition but many of the cards dont exist in PSA 8 or better or if they do they are too expensive. For example, my budget allows me to work on a 1954 Bowman set in PSA 7 or better and I prefer PSA 8 cards in that set, but Ill buy 7s if they are nice and if the price discrepancy between a PSA 7 and a PSa 8 of a card seems out of whack because of the "population report" I will gladly buy the PSA 7 if it is a good looking near mint card. However, I am working on some caramel sets and t card sets and my budget wont allow me to limit myself to PSA 8s so I will buy PSA 5s and above. I collect all types of cards and condition does matter but its not always the driving factor, condition is less important if a card is scarce or if a card is super expensive in high grade condition. You only have to look at the sale price of the most famous card in our hobby, the Wagner. Condition is less important as the rarity of the card goes up. Many collectors and investors who wouldnt normally buy a poor beat up condition card, will pay 100k for a poor condition Wagner. Same would be true if the 1952 Mantle were rare. As rarity goes up, collectors become less concerned about condition. Most of the 1950s sets can be found in PSA 8 or better and thus you have collectors with deep pockets who are able to limit themselves to PSA 8 or better in those sets. |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
I personally do not need to have 8's in my collection. I have owned them and sold all of the to acquire more lowergrade presentable cards at a fraction of the cost of the 8's. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Now Bruce's post -- that is a thoughtful post. |
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Posted By: DaveWilliams
Virtually everyone who collects post 1980 cards would probably be a PSA 8 or better collector. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
DAVE W |
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Posted By: leonl
I am probably a lot closer to the type of collector you are than I am the registry crowd....however, the PSA 8 collectors do get just as much joy as we do by collecting their way. As long as they are mainly talking Pre-WWII cards, PSA 8,9,10,11, whatever...it's ok over here. Talking about post war stuff over here is off topic and somewhat permitted, per the rules...though it should be talked about on the Net54 Post War board we have. I know you and I, and most others on this board, don't just collect by grade but oh well...whatever floats your boat....take care...(time for me to make some coffee)....regards...and btw, good morning to ya !! |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for your response....please understand where I am coming from. I tune into this forum for worthwhile discussions and arguments |
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Posted By: leonl
I appreciate the feedback. I understand some folks will be turned off by some of the in-fighting that goes on, on the board, as well as the PSA 8 talks and debates. It's a difficult line to hold since I do agree with you...but as moderator, I feel it's my obligation to be neutral. As long as what is being talked about is Pre-WWII baseball cards then there is not much I can, or will, do. If you want to start another thread and debate it then that is ok.....but my guess, from much experience, is that while a lot of folks don't care for all of the PSA 8 talk, they wouldn't want to ban it either. Also, those same people that said they won't post because of this or that....guess what, it wouldn't matter, they wouldn't post anyway. Heck, sometimes I don't want to post it gets so bad....but I do feel that is also what makes this board good....(the openness to debate anything).....now for more coffee.....One last thing...You know that on severe issues I will take a stand as I have done in the past ie...your favorite poster that doesn't post anymore... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Hmmm, |
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Posted By: JimB
Ted, |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Here's what I don't get. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Al, |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
while on the surface I agree with you wholeheartedly, you gotta admit the disdain you show and have shown even recently for a card with heavy creases is just as strong as the disdain others have shown for you.... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Tom, |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
My feeling as to why there is disdain is this: |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEE B |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
edited as there won't be any emails posted on this board.....regards |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Well, that's interesting.....I, too, received an email from "professor(s)" Dorskind. |
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Posted By: DMcD
At least t(he)y didn't threaten to sue you. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon counted zero post-war threads good try Ted but you are wrong once again--you need help--I suggest you reread the other thread to understand how you lost control when I tried to help you. |
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Posted By: JimB
"Then we can un- |
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Posted By: Joann
It's way past time for me to be off of this computer, but I can't keep myself from responding here. |
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