Reprising the T206 "Elite 12"......show them, if you have any of them

[tedzan]

Back in September 2007, I started a T206 survey tracking T206's in the 150/350 series with rare PIEDMONT 350 backs. Ha ! Who would think that a PIEDMONT 350 back could be "rare" ?
Well guys, the Monster is always full of surprises.
See this thread......http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87180

These 150/350 subjects with PIEDMONT 150 backs are not tough to find (except for the Lundgren-Cubs card). But, with PIEDMONT 350 backs these 12 guys are extremely tough to find.

The Elite 12 are depicted here......



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Originally, we narrowed down these special T206's to eight 150/350 series subjects (hence the "Elite 8")....Dahlen, Ewing, Ganley, Tom Jones, Karger, Lindaman, Lundgren and Mullin.
More recently, Scot Reader's vast T206 survey revealed an additional 3 subjects with the rare PIEDMONT 350 & EPDG backs (Schaefer, Al Shaw, and Spencer). The 12th subject in this
group is very unique.....a Schulte with a PIEDMONT 350 back was discovered several years ago and is the only such card known. No EPDG card of this Schulte has yet to be discovered
which raises some doubt as to whether this card was actually issued, or is just a "scrap" card.

Needless to say, this group of cards (PIEDMONT 350 and, or EPDG) sell for considerably more $$$$ than the other T-brand backs associated with these twelve T206 subjects.

I'll follow up this post with some actual numbers associated to these Elite 12 cards.


TED Z
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[VoodooChild]

Ted....I very much appreciate all of the research you do. It really helps a "rookie" pre-war collector like me learn all of the complexities that exist within the T206 set. Normally, I have nothing to contribute to your posts but surprisingly I do own this one example:

[Thromdog]

As an epdg collector, here's what I got.....

Lucked into the Lundgren 350.....

Lundgren, P350 and EPDG
Spencer, EPDG
Jones, EPDG
Lindaman, EPDG
Shaw, EPDG

LundgrenBackRun.jpg
JonesSpencer.jpg
Graded.jpg

[Eggoman]

Hey Ted:

I NEVER cease to be fascinated by your seemingly tireless work!

I, too, have ONLY a Lindaman EPDG.

[Luke]

Here are mine:

I have a theory that Jones (while he does belong in this group) is actually pretty common as far as EPDG backs go. At one point a couple months ago, me and a friend had 5 copies between the two of us. Could just be an anomaly, but it hasn't been easy to sell the dupes either.

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

I have a theory that Jones (while he does belong in this group) is actually pretty common as far as EPDG backs go. At one point a couple months ago, me and a friend had 5 copies between the two of us. Could just be an anomaly, but it hasn't been easy to sell the dupes either.

I'm starting to buy into that theory with most if not all of these, to be honest. Dahlen being a possible exception.

We know that referencing pop records can be skewed based on HOF status, that's been talked about frequently. But the pops on these 11 are very middle of the road for that back in comparison, maybe a little lower than normal at best. So what gives?

P350's? A totally different story.....Luke's are awesome.

[tedzan]

Listed here is the recent pop report data (PSA +SGC) on these Elite 12 guys with respect to their PIEDMONT 350 backs.

4......Dahlen (Boston)
7......Ewing
11.....Ganley
8......Tom Jones (St Louis)
10.....Karger
6......Lindaman
11.....Lundgren (Cubs)
2......Mullin (throwing)
9......Schaefer (Detroit)
9......Al Shaw (St Louis)
4......Spencer
1......Schulte

Note for comparison............
There are a total of 144 subjects in the 150/350 series of the T206 set. That leaves 132 subjects that were printed in the normal PIEDMONT 350 press runs.

Overall average of PIEDMONT 350 cards of the 132 subjects = 138 examples (PSA + SGC). Overall average of the Elite 12 subjects = 6.7 examples (PSA + SGC).

Therefore, with respect to PIEDMONT 350 cards, the ratio of the 132 guys in the 150/350 series to the Elite 12 guys (150/35 series) is at least 20.6 to 1.


TED Z
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[atx840]

Nice Ted, I have the more common Ganzel, Ewing, Jones & Karger P350s.

[sreader3]

Although many people following this thread are no doubt aware, another distinguishing characteristic of these 12 is that none is confirmed with either Sweet Cap 350 or Sovereign 350.

Also, while Ted is kind to mention me in his OP, I don't claim to have been the first person to know that Schaefer, Shaw and Spencer were part of the 12.

[tommy]

hi,im new here, been collecting a few years . when i heard about the elite 11 thought that was a cool thing so i bought a few.. just wondering what the latest is , the most recent posts i see on this site are from 2014 .

thanks or whoever helps

tommy

[tedzan]

Hi Tommy

You can get the current information on the T206 Elite 11 by clicking onto this link...…T206 Reference Check-out Posts #742 - 760

TED Z
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[tommy]

thanks very much ted, amazing site ,,

[tommy]

hi , for whatits worth i have 5 elite 11's

SHAW EPDG
EWING P350
Karger EPDG
Shaefer EPDG
Ganley P350

just thought id throw that in , love this site !!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tommy

thanks very much ted, amazing site ,,

If you (or any member) ever needs help with this site, shoot me a PM...If I don't know the answer then ...I don't know the answer.

BTW, nice thread, Ted!