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The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National. I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to. He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA. I hope this information "de-confuses" you. . TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 07-14-2017 at 08:39 PM. |
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Thanks Ted. Your explanation definitely clears my confusion. My mistake. I just didn't connect the dots that recently selling it to David Hall was the same thing as consigning it to an auction house in 2013. Makes perfect sense since David Hall was the one who bought it at auction. GREAT CARD!!!!!!! |
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Thanks Ronnie
I have sold directly to David quite a number of rare T206's prior to (and after) this Herzog card. However, he thought it would be mutually fair to both of us for him to bid on it in an Auction situation. And, that was fine with me, since I knew he would win the card, anyhow. TED Z . |
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Back long before grading companies broke out different T206 tobacco company reverses, and because I no longer have the card, so no scan possible, I held a PSA 7 Griffith batting with a Drum reverse, so sweet it breaks my heart to even think about it. For all I know, David Hall has it in his private vault.
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Here are two I sold a couple of years ago......Jerry
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Hey Jerry, as it turns out I grabbed your Atz.
And a friend of mine got your Collins. scan0011.jpg scan0012.jpg |
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where would i begin....
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This T206 was ungraded for a long time; and, during that period it was unique. In recent years I had it graded.
But, it's no longer 1 of 1. Now there is another Elberfeld / DRUM graded (PSA 3). . TED Z . |
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While we are on the subject of DRUM cards, I think my Frank Delehanty DRUM may be a unique T206 card.
I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has seen (or has) another one ? A-B-C-D connection of my favorite T206 subject in the 350-only series. . TED Z . |
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cut off. Herzog MC.jpgLake MC.jpg |
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David Hall called me after the REA auction to tell me that he had won the Herzog / UZIT graded, and that PSA graded it a 1/2 point lower than SGC.
As most of us know, David is part owner of the PSA outfit and has all his T206 cards PSA graded. So, I'm not sure what you are implying ? It appears as if you are questioning my statement in post #31. If so, I have no further comment. Post #31 Quote:
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wasn't the best. I was questioning if he might have received a favorable grade based on PSA's grading standards. The Herzog clearly has part of the name and team cut off. 1909-1911-t206-buck-herzog-boston-uzit-back-only-example.jpg Herzog MC.jpg Lake MC.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 03-14-2017 at 10:37 AM. Reason: Added two miscuts for comparison |
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Pat You may be correct in that observation. I'm not much of a fan of the card grading system. I think that some times it can be quite arbitrary. For example, I refer to the AB 460 Jennings card which I posted. First graded "Authentic", subsequently graded SGC 60. Hey, I'm not complaining. I like the Ex grade (which, in my opinion this card should have been graded initially). TED Z . |
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Ted- did you crack out the Jennings from its "A" slab and resubmitted raw? Nice bump.
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Absolutely yes ! Hey guy....how's the snow storm in NYC today ? TED Z . |
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That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card ! Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ? TED Z . |
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No way over a Wagner or a Cobb/Cobb back....Please...
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Your theories are as good (probably better) than mine about the great enigma Collins (With Bat) proof. I tend to think that American Tobacco didn't get his written authorization back by the deadline in winter/spring 1909 and, since he was an emerging star and a Columbia grad (i.e. a smart guy), decided to remove him from printing. Maybe he even explicitly objected or threatened them with a lawsuit -- can you imagine if he did that and someone produced the letter 108 years later? Now that would be big! I have no strong evidence that delayed (or lack of) authorization was the reason Collins (With Bat) wasn't printed. But consider the portraits in the 350-only series. The Hall of Famers are basically Eddie Collins, minor leaguers (Beckley and Jimmy Collins) and Rube Marquard (who didn't emerge as a star until 1911). Makes no sense that Eddie Collins would be printed as a 350-only portrait unless there was some sort of unusual delay. My best guess is that Collins (With Bat) and Collins (Portrait, Philadelphia) were both supposed to be 150/350 releases, but ATC was forced to delay and mothballed the With Bat version entirely. Scot EDITED TO ADD: For those who are unaware, the American Tobacco Company sought written permission from the players who it wished to include in the set we now (thanks to Jefferson Burdick) call T206: http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_96.html Last edited by sreader3; 03-20-2017 at 09:09 PM. |
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