Beware... Moser cards apparently in Mile High Auction

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by tschock

Jersey? Really? What exit?

The one you can get off at

[Yoda]

Brian has been through a few wars and knows all-too-well, particularly in a post Mastro world, that the primary asset for any AH/dealer is reputation and even a sniff of a scandal these days can be ruinous. He is doing what he has to do. Love to know who the consignor is. Doubt it is Moser.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Brian has been through a few wars and knows all-too-well, particularly in a post Mastro world, that the primary asset for any AH/dealer is reputation and even a sniff of a scandal these days can be ruinous. He is doing what he has to do. Love to know who the consignor is. Doubt it is Moser.

Nobody will know...no auction house will disclose their consigners names

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Nobody will know...no auction house will disclose their consigners names

Certainly not without their permission, which obviously in a case like this you won't get.

I have sold things with consignors names on them and had to ask what they wanted to do. Example Mailing envelope from a given team. Defacing it may hurt the value but there's the name or magazine address stickers. Of course that doesn't guarantee it's the consignor but if you see a lot of them in one auction it's probable.

[70ToppsFanatic]

Originally Posted by bounce

So for the record, you’d be cool winning these cards then?

It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless?

And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs?

For the record, I am saying is that there is quite a bit of information not yet disclosed/uncovered/available and yet there are outrageous claims being made about 25-33% and “...practically the whole auction...” being bad slabs. That’s irresponsible and potentially something that could cause great harm to some innocent peoples’ livelihoods.

For the record, I am saying be diligent and do your homework if you’re a prospective purchaser. As for the hyperbole, stick to the facts as we know them.

[sflayank]

How about the AH shows the complete list of consigned cards from the 30 or more cards that have been withdrawn not showing the consignors name but all the cards he consigned ..good or bad

[aconte]

For the record, I am saying is that there is quite a bit of information not yet disclosed/uncovered/available

Who should we expect to disclose this information? At this point, I'd rather
error on the side of caution than wait for an auction house or PSA to step
up. They've been given their chances. They left it up to collectors to figure
things out on their own. This is the "homework" that is being done.

If they don't like it or need to clarify then they can. I'm not holding my
breathe.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Nobody will know...no auction house will disclose their consigners names

Really? Well we've had one auction house already say who HASNT consigned

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by aconte

Who should we expect to disclose this information? At this point, I'd rather
error on the side of caution than wait for an auction house or PSA to step
up. They've been given their chances. They left it up to collectors to figure
things out on their own. This is the "homework" that is being done.

If they don't like it or need to clarify then they can. I'm not holding my
breathe.

That's how it is, Tony, as you know. The burden is always on the collectors to uncover stuff as best they can. The people with much better access to information aren't going to do anything for us. They're only interested in crisis management and containment, with very few exceptions.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

As for the hyperbole, stick to the facts as we know them.

As usual, no answers to the questions asked of you.

Fine - let's deal with facts.

Looks like at least 42 lots have been withdrawn, out of approximately 400 graded card lots.

Basically all the 1948 Leafs except one, 1948 Bowmans, all the Berk Ross except one, all the Parkhursts except one, I'm sure there are others. All of these sets were extremely popular choices for alteration.

Thankfully it appears that MH has dealt with most/all of them? Yesterday they were taking them down one at a time as discovered and reported, but seems like that changed.

I said 25% of the auction might be suspect now, so you're right I misspoke. I was referring to the single card auctions, of which something near 10% are now withdrawn.

Where exactly between this and 25% does hyperbole start and stop?

It's your prerogative to continue to insist we need a "courtroom conviction" level of certainty on each and every card. I don't need that level of certainty.

I'm glad they were withdrawn. Unfortunately, we still have to keep looking for them next time. And unless the AHs are going to share with each other and/or the market more broadly, someone else is likely going to get duped into accepting these and this whole circus will start again.

[Peter_Spaeth]

When's the last time an AH withdrew 40 cards from an auction after it opened? But nah, nothing to see here, after all, no lawsuits yet, right Jake?

And yep, the cards will just surface somewhere else.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

That wouldn't be good for business. I wouldn't want to be known as the auction house that will send your cards to law enforcement because some anonymous guy on a forum says they may be altered. Pulling the auction and sending them back seems like the correct response.

Correction, an anonymous guy on the internet posted before and after pictures suggesting at a minimum that it was likely the cards were altered.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When's the last time an AH withdrew 40 cards from an auction after it opened? But nah, nothing to see here, after all, no lawsuits yet, right Jake?

And yep, the cards will just surface somewhere else.

sounds like the harm was prevented...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

sounds like the harm was prevented delayed...

Fixed it for you. No charge.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

sounds like the harm was prevented...

Until they show up elsewhere...

[tulsaboy]

Have they pulled the 75 racks that were still up yesterday? Those are no good as well.
kevin

[drcy]

Good job by Mile High.

But this is the type of stuff that should happen. When the big time auctions and dealers start having to remove a lot of cards in the middle auction, they'll start putting pressure on PSA and the system.

It would go be good if this happens a bunch of times with other auction houses.

[darwinbulldog]

The other houses might want to hire the Blowout team as consultants before the next auction goes to press.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

The other houses might want to hire the Blowout team as consultants before the next auction goes to press.

I am sure many houses already know exactly what they have from whom.

[wondo]

Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the Mile High site?

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by wondo

Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the Mile High site?

Yeah it seems to be down... or even gone?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BLongley

Yeah it seems to be down... or even gone?

WTF
This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions.

[swarmee]

Forgot to pay their utility bills? How embarrassing. And they're the ones auctioning off the T206 Wagner and Cobb/Cobb back?

[swarmee]

With all the scammers in this industry, i'm surprised nobody has bought the domain and held it for ransom yet.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

With all the scammers in this industry, i'm surprised nobody has bought the domain and held it for ransom yet.

That would be a smart business move. Not sure how it would be considered scamming.

[swarmee]

According to their Facebook page, they just forgot to renew... payment is processing.

Extortion is scamming, right? Or is it just slimy?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

According to their Facebook page, they just forgot to renew... payment is processing.

Extortion is scamming, right? Or is it just slimy?

I would call it total incompetence by Mile High. If someone made them pay for their mistake I say good for them.

[Leon]

So if you make an honest mistake and someone makes you pay fo it, that is fine? Got it.

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would call it total incompetence by Mile High. If someone made them pay for their mistake I say good for them.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Leon

So if you make an honest mistake and someone makes you pay fo it, that is fine? Got it.

I have never said my opinions are popular.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by drcy

Good job by Mile High.

But this is the type of stuff that should happen. When the big time auctions and dealers start having to remove a lot of cards in the middle auction, they'll start putting pressure on PSA and the system.

It would go be good if this happens a bunch of times with other auction houses.

Well if the big money cards become impossible to sell at the big auctions (where the real big buyers are) that would curtail most of this. Sure the doctors could do things on the low end stuff but they would have to work a lot harder and for much less profit. Nobody is going to stop this 100% but if you cant make an easy profit anymore that more or less would end things in this debacle

[bobfreedman]

If anyone that has registered a domain before will know that you receive hundreds of solicitations and offers afterwards. It is difficult to wade through what is a scam and what is real. Now compound that with a key person leaving their company for another job. This was an honest mistake on their part and they are working towards correcting it as quickly as possible. Its time we put down the pitchforks and put ourselves in another's shoes and let them work to resolve this as quickly as they can.

[Collect Equity]

Originally Posted by tulsaboy

Have they pulled the 75 racks that were still up yesterday? Those are no good as well.
kevin

The folks at Collectors Universe also mentioned the '75 & '78 rack packs are no good (LINK). I've been watching the Mile High site and as of right now they are still up.

I am not a collector of unopened, so I don't know anything about Rack Packs. Can someone edumacate me on how you can tell the Rack Packs are bad? I do see the packaging seems shinier and the plastic package edges are longer than the similar GAI graded examples. Are these the tell-tale signs?

Lastly, has anyone contacted Mile High about these Rack Packs? It's strange they are still up when multiple people are calling them out.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Collect Equity

The folks at Collectors Universe also mentioned the '75 & '78 rack packs are no good (LINK). I've been watching the Mile High site and as of right now they are still up.

I am not a collector of unopened, so I don't know anything about Rack Packs. Can someone edumacate me on how you can tell the Rack Packs are bad? I do see the packaging seems shinier and the plastic package edges are longer than the similar GAI graded examples. Are these the tell-tale signs?

Lastly, has anyone contacted Mile High about these Rack Packs? It's strange they are still up when multiple people are calling them out.

i cant even access their website? how can u?

[Collect Equity]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i cant even access their website? how can u?

I can access it. Maybe the issue is server-side caching for you?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

If anyone that has registered a domain before will know that you receive hundreds of solicitations and offers afterwards. It is difficult to wade through what is a scam and what is real. Now compound that with a key person leaving their company for another job. This was an honest mistake on their part and they are working towards correcting it as quickly as possible. Its time we put down the pitchforks and put ourselves in another's shoes and let them work to resolve this as quickly as they can.

When I registered mine I got exactly 0 offers....

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by steve B

When I registered mine I got exactly 0 offers....

So what are you saying? That I am lying? I should start forwarding you my emails then. And of all the things that I pointed out and everything that is going on, that is the point you take issue with? How petty!

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

So what are you saying? That I am lying? I should start forwarding you my emails then. And of all the things that I pointed out and everything that is going on, that is the point you take issue with? How petty!

Bob, I think he was joking around...

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Bob, I think he was joking around...

That is how I read it too...self-deprecating, as in, no one wanted his domain.

Brian (master of no domain)

[frankbmd]

I see it as a lack of domaintainence.

[MULLINS5]

Moser has used Mile High in the past. Looks like March, 2018 he had cards there.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Moser has used Mile High in the past. Looks like March, 2018 he had cards there.

Go on...

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Go on...

Just a sample of a Moser card in the Mile High March, 2018 auction.

edit to add that this card was sold by Mile High in March 2018 and then sold again by PWCC in October 2018. I did see other Moser cards in the Mile High auction from March, 2018 from this PSA sub, but will leave that to someone else to investigate if they so choose.

[oldjudge]

Since this thread relates to MHCC, let me ask my question here. It seems this Unitas rookie has a rough edge over part of the upper side of the card, but has a smooth edge over the rest. How is this possible? Wouldn’t it be all rough or all smooth?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

That is how I read it too...self-deprecating, as in, no one wanted his domain.

Brian (master of no domain)

That's pretty much what it was.

To be fair to myself, The following are probably not exactly highly marketable names. Especially the last one.

planzcollectibles.com
aerobikes.org
stevesbikes.org

I never did much with them, and let them lapse maybe a year or so ago, so if anyone is inclined, have at it.
Just send me... what, a couple 88 Donruss commons once you've registered?

[Peter_Spaeth]

For what it's worth, in my thread on additional cert numbers, Mile High comes up over 50 times as a subsequent seller. This does not include the earlier subs published on BO and here, only from the point where a separate thread seemed in order. One can draw his or her own conclusions I suppose.