52 Mantle's. Will they sell for asking?

[irv]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...AAAOSwo4pYSc2m

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...4AAOSwImRYSc0U

This one could be a mistake listing as there is no picture?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...UAAOSwa~BYSc1Q

The same seller owns/has all of these.

[Neal]

$100 in eBay bucks right there

[irv]

Originally Posted by Neal

$100 in eBay bucks right there

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by irv

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...AAAOSwo4pYSc2m

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...4AAOSwImRYSc0U

This one could be a mistake listing as there is no picture?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...UAAOSwa~BYSc1Q

The same seller owns/has all of these.

uhh..NO.

JMO..

.

[MattyC]

The 7 very possibly close. It's priced in line with relevant sales and Tony certainly has the clientele.

[irv]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The 7 very possibly close. It's priced in line with relevant sales and Tony certainly has the clientele.

I am not familiar with, Tony. I assume the cards he has for sale are consigned?

I wish these were under the normal auction process rather than the BIN format as these would be fun to watch.

[pokerplyr80]

I don't see any problem with the asking prices. As Matt said they seem in line with previous sales. If anything a nice 7 for under 200k seems like a relative bargain.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The 7 very possibly close. It's priced in line with relevant sales and Tony certainly has the clientele.

His clientele likely will buy from him direct then.

[irv]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't see any problem with the asking prices. As Matt said they seem in line with previous sales. If anything a nice 7 for under 200k seems like a relative bargain.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

His clientele likely will buy from him direct then.

All 3 have ended. I assume that is inconclusive if they sold or not?

[Republicaninmass]

Some if these, like similar cards, are just to prop up the laurels of a consignor, and the asking price of the card. Any serious buyer would go directly to the seller

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

All 3 have ended. I assume that is inconclusive if they sold or not?

Probably sold off ebay, I would guess.

[botn]

Originally Posted by irv

All 3 have ended. I assume that is inconclusive if they sold or not?

Dunno if they sold but this one, http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...c2m&rmvSB=true he had listed in Aug and I was informed it had "sold" in Sept or Oct only to reappear and now disappear again. No record in VCP but the sale was supposed to have taken place on ebay. If he got his price I would say he did very well.

[irv]

Originally Posted by botn

Dunno if they sold but this one, http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...c2m&rmvSB=true he had listed in Aug and I was informed it had "sold" in Sept or Oct only to reappear and now disappear again. No record in VCP but the sale was supposed to have taken place on ebay. If he got his price I would say he did very well.

Interesting?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The 7 very possibly close. It's priced in line with relevant sales and Tony certainly has the clientele.

Or not.
http://goodwinandco.com/1952_Topps__...-LOT34498.aspx

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't see any problem with the asking prices. As Matt said they seem in line with previous sales. If anything a nice 7 for under 200k seems like a relative bargain.

As linked in my prior post a very nice (if not quite centered) SGC 7 just sold in Goodwin for well less than half that. 87K.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As linked in my prior post a very nice (if not quite centered) SGC 7 just sold in Goodwin for well less than half that. 87K.

And a SGC 6 couldn't even get a 40k opening bid. Are we seeing a price correction on the 52 Topps Mantle?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

And a SGC 6 couldn't even get a 40k opening bid. Are we seeing a price correction on the 52 Topps Mantle?

I am waiting to see the spin from the folks who think a 7 is a 200K card before commenting.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am waiting to see the spin from the folks who think a 7 is a 200K card before commenting.

A 7 should be a $550K card. Wasn't there a PSA 4 or 5 that was listed on eBay a while back for 250K?

Plus that 7 is not in a PSA slab and not centered.

[botn]

Anyone who bought a 52 Topps Mantle over this past summer might want to buy a second one now and dollar cost average. Better yet maybe wait until March when they can get an even better deal. Yikes. That was a pretty nice SGC 84 too.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by botn

Anyone who bought a 52 Topps Mantle over this past summer might want to buy a second one now and dollar cost average. Better yet maybe wait until March when they can get an even better deal. Yikes. That was a pretty nice SGC 84 too.

That is what I thought. It looked like it might be a Rosen find Mantle, just oc.

Heritage has a PSA 8 coming up in February. We will see if the card is still strong at the top end.

[Peter_Spaeth]

In fairness, the 6 didn't hit reserve, but it had 4 bids, I think the website just defaults to the opening (40) when it doesn't sell.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In fairness, the 6 didn't hit reserve, but it had 4 bids, I think the website just defaults to the opening (40) when it doesn't sell.

What would that sgc 6 brought 6 months ago?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

What would that sgc 6 brought 6 months ago?

Many American dollars.

[botn]

Originally Posted by rats60

That is what I thought. It looked like it might be a Rosen find Mantle, just oc.

Heritage has a PSA 8 coming up in February. We will see if the card is still strong at the top end.

The 84 does look like a Rosen find card. As for the 8, I think it will do well. Think that part of the market is still holding, at least on that card.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by rats60

And a SGC 6 couldn't even get a 40k opening bid. Are we seeing a price correction on the 52 Topps Mantle?

Maybe on higher end examples there is a selling correction is taking place, but lower end copies seem to be selling for as much if not more than they were this past summer. A PSA 1.5 sold a few weeks ago for $14.5k via PWCC.


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_Co...le+psa&_sop=13

Lately, the SGC examples have been selling for less than their PSA counterparts.....very recently two SGC 2.5s sold for $14k and less. Perhaps the correction is only on SGC copies and not PSA copies....maybe it is time to buy SGC and send to PSA.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_udlo...le%20sgc&rt=nc

[Leon]

On the lower end the prices seem to have more to do with the cards presentation than the grade.

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Maybe on higher end examples there is a selling correction is taking place, but lower end copies seem to be selling for as much if not more than they were this past summer. A PSA 1.5 sold a few weeks ago for $14.5k via PWCC.


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_Co...le+psa&_sop=13

Lately, the SGC examples have been selling for less than their PSA counterparts.....very recently two SGC 2.5s sold for $14k and less. Perhaps the correction is only on SGC copies and not PSA copies....maybe it is time to buy SGC and send to PSA.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_udlo...le%20sgc&rt=nc

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Leon

On the lower end the prices seem to have more to do with the cards presentation than the grade.

For sure, I agree....a few of the SGC cards that recently ended on ebay suffered from poor centering, however, one of the SGC 2.5s (sans a light stain) appeared sharp and the SGCs from the Goodwin auction seemed to present strongly, but all fell short of other similar graded, sharp looking PSA copies.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by bnorth

A 7 should be a $550K card. Wasn't there a PSA 4 or 5 that was listed on eBay a while back for 250K?

Plus that 7 is not in a PSA slab and not centered.

If a PSA 4 or 5 sold for that much, it means just one thing: the [transient] investor/buyers are still with us. The virtually endless stream of these cards at every major [and minor] auction makes it abundantly clear that the smart ones are not the buyers, but the sellers. Once the investor crowd heads for other pastures, values will drop to what true collectors will pay for what might, at best, charitably be termed a somewhat scarce card. Just my $2.50 worth. Truly amazing how this market for that card resembles tulip-mania!

Best of luck,

Larry

[irv]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

If a PSA 4 or 5 sold for that much, it means just one thing: the [transient] investor/buyers are still with us. The virtually endless stream of these cards at every major [and minor] auction makes it abundantly clear that the smart ones are not the buyers, but the sellers. Once the investor crowd heads for other pastures, values will drop to what true collectors will pay for what might, at best, charitably be termed a somewhat scarce card. Just my $2.50 worth. Truly amazing how this market for that card resembles tulip-mania!

Best of luck,

Larry

I'm not sure about that? The 52 Mantle is an iconic card and is coveted by many/most in the collector world.
I think there will be lulls or corrections occasionally but I don't think the card will ever fall out of favor by the collector or investor.

2 recent sales, not that they necessarily reflect anything, but these cards never fail to sell no matter how many are available.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...vip=true&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351930771313...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by irv

I'm not sure about that? The 52 Mantle is an iconic card and is coveted by many/most in the collector world.
I think there will be lulls or corrections occasionally but I don't think the card will ever fall out of favor by the collector or investor.

2 recent sales, not that they necessarily reflect anything, but these cards never fail to sell no matter how many are available.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...vip=true&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351930771313...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Those 2 PSA copies sold for SGC prices.....

[irv]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Those 2 PSA copies sold for SGC prices.....

Yeah, certainly they aren't garnering the prices like they did back in the summer, but that also can be said about most cards that were selling for huge money back then too.

Like many have noticed "I can't give cards away" currently there is a definite lull happening, imo.

But, being not near as knowledgeable as most on here, is this normal for this time of year, or does this happen occasionally where product/listings slow down?

I have noticed only 3-4 pages on E-Bay of 52 Topps cards where I normally see over double that, or at least 10 pgs of listings.

[Republicaninmass]

Lull before "tax refunds burning a hole in people's pockets"

[Leon]

'52 Mantle isn't quite Tulip Mania, imho. "Pet Rock" maybe, but no way Tulip Mania.
....Great looking examples still bring strong prices, relative to their grade. Visual appeal sells '52 Mantles in the upper ends of their brackets to the lower ends of the few brackets above them..Individual examples can be shown to sway any discussion. again, just my opinion...

Originally Posted by ls7plus

If a PSA 4 or 5 sold for that much, it means just one thing: the [transient] investor/buyers are still with us. The virtually endless stream of these cards at every major [and minor] auction makes it abundantly clear that the smart ones are not the buyers, but the sellers. Once the investor crowd heads for other pastures, values will drop to what true collectors will pay for what might, at best, charitably be termed a somewhat scarce card. Just my $2.50 worth. Truly amazing how this market for that card resembles tulip-mania!

Best of luck,

Larry

[botn]

The Card That Fell To Earth starring Mickey Mantle

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=33602

https://goldinauctions.com/Spectacul...-LOT28450.aspx


https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

https://goldinauctions.com/1952_Topp...-LOT27931.aspx

Kids, don't try this at home.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by botn

The Card That Fell To Earth starring Mickey Mantle

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=33602

https://goldinauctions.com/Spectacul...-LOT28450.aspx


https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

https://goldinauctions.com/1952_Topp...-LOT27931.aspx

Kids, don't try this at home.

not a huge drop...within 20% (and maybe just 1 or 2 bidding slots.)...if i saw it go down by 50% than that would be newsworthy..the card can easily go up 20% now from the last sale, also need more than one sale for a trend.....time will tell

[botn]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

not a huge drop...within 20% (and maybe just 1 or 2 bidding slots.)...if i saw it go down by 50% than that would be newsworthy..the card can easily go up 20% now from the last sale, also need more than one sale for a trend.....time will tell

LOL. They are the same exact cards. 20% reduction in price over a short period of time in what most have been touting as a strong 52 Topps Mantle market, is not a good sign. Those are not reassuring numbers but if they are to you, cool!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by botn

LOL. They are the same exact cards. 20% reduction in price over a short period of time in what most have been touting as a strong 52 Topps Mantle market, is not a good sign. Those are not reassuring numbers but if they are to you, cool!

i agree that we are talking about cards not losing value versus cards that are going up which is a different ballgame.

But again, in a short period of time, whoever was willing to pay the most back then still probably still would be paying the most now. So now its an underbidder on the last action they may of won it. I agree, you cant buy a Mantle now in mid grade and see a profit in 3 months paying the Vig.

With most cards due the buyer premium you will lose 20% if you were to sell the card immediately again. Thus, seeing a card selling for 20% or less to me in one lone re-sell of the same card in a short period of time isnt a trend. But yeah its not like we are talking about a hot card right now i agree.

[Canofcorn]

Just sold my SGC 4 via Goldin. I was hoping for 1 more bid, but that's fine.

My wife is on cloud 9, it's all about perspective I guess.

Loved owning it but it's on to the next one!

Going Trout fishing

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

not a huge drop...within 20% (and maybe just 1 or 2 bidding slots.)...if i saw it go down by 50% than that would be newsworthy..the card can easily go up 20% now from the last sale, also need more than one sale for a trend.....time will tell

35 k drop not chump change. And that really nice sgc 4 under 30, werent people paying 40 and up for nice 4s not a few months ago?

[bobsbbcards]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

My wife is on cloud 9, it's all about perspective I guess.

Loved owning it but it's on to the next one!

Hopefully, you don't mean you're on to the next wife. If so, don't let her read that.

[sflayank]

it is a HUGE drop
if someone really paid 169k
and then sold for 135k...thats with buyers premium
paid 169k then realized 112k
thats a 57k loss 33% approx...not 20
how about the rose rookies selling for 15-18 now selling for 4k 75% drop?
clemente 8s from 50-30
koufax 8 from 30 to last night 9K? wow

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

35 k drop not chump change. And that really nice sgc 4 under 30, werent people paying 40 and up for nice 4s not a few months ago?

a a few months before that they were paying 25-30k.....canofcorn thought his card would sell for 30k (which was the center of the range) so the market is still there and a trend isnt just one sale, if someone with a 30k card could save some of that buyers premium in a direct deal the margin would be even less..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by sflayank

it is a HUGE drop
if someone really paid 169k
and then sold for 135k...thats with buyers premium
paid 169k then realized 112k
thats a 57k loss 33% approx...not 20
how about the rose rookies selling for 15-18 now selling for 4k 75% drop?
clemente 8s from 50-30
koufax 8 from 30 to last night 9K? wow

i dont think we can compare clemente and rose rookies with the rookie mantle.

just like one low sale cant be 100% of trend...the same can be said with one lone high sale. like you said 'if someone really paid 169k' if you show me 5 cards in a row that sold for 140-160k and the sixth one sold for 100k...thats a lot different to pointing to one sale of a card for an amount that we arent even sure if someone really paid for it\

i posted awhile ago though that mid to low grade mantles were due to fall...its a bit of a pyramid scheme when the buyers of these cards are just going to try the flip them

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=sflayank;1625583]it is a HUGE drop
if someone really paid 169k
and then sold for 135k...thats with buyers premium
paid 169k then realized 112k
thats a 57k loss 33% approx...not 20
how about the rose rookies selling for 15-18 now selling for 4k 75% drop?
clemente 8s from 50-30
koufax 8 from 30 to last night 9K? wow[/QUOTE

https://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.a...entoryid=33087

You mean Bill Goodwin was wrong?
"For the discerning collector or the profit-driven investor, this card should be an automatic. The Koufax rookie card’s climb has been as remarkable as Koufax pitching at Dodger Stadium on a hot summer day. We expect the day to come very soon, when Koufax rookies at PSA 8 will be selling well in excess of $200,000 and perhaps as $250,000."

[sflayank]

thats pretty funny...someone actually paid 80k...because goodwin said itll be $200k-250k
insane

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sflayank

thats pretty funny...someone actually paid 80k...because goodwin said itll be $200k-250k
insane

The word "disingenuous" comes to mind.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by bobsbbcards

Hopefully, you don't mean you're on to the next wife. If so, don't let her read that.

OK that's funny!!!

[irv]

Originally Posted by sflayank

thats pretty funny...someone actually paid 80k...because goodwin said itll be $200k-250k
insane

I honestly don't know how that works, that if the card didn't actually sell/change hands (it has been stated numerous times!) then how can they state it sold for $80,000

[Drift]

I haven't looked at prices since I sold my low grade Mantles in 2010 and 2012.
I sold them for a fraction of what they go for now. Based on the trends I'm seeing it's a stronger market now and people have the coin.

I never did upgrade and it's probably a losing proposition now.

These are just an example of low grade options but they seem to have doubled in price.

Just for reference I got just under $7k for the '52 and under $5k for the '51.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The word "disingenuous" comes to mind.

Have to agree on that one. That Koufax in an 8 will never, never be a 250k card. There are far too many and not enough demand.