Ted Williams Autograph? opinions needed!

[babmic57]

hey everyone! Since i'm VERY new to this forum and have read some incredible responses to questions that others have had i figured i'd post some pics of some Ted Williams Auto's that an elderly family friend gave me before he passed away. i know he is one of the most faked autos out there so any opinions on these would be much appreciated. thanks!!!

[babmic57]

here's the other williams i got from him. along with a dimaggio that i've had for a bunch of years with no clue where it came from.

[FUBAR]

the two Teddies you have are pretty different, so at least one is fake. I am not an expert on his signature, but he hof'er one looks closer then the blue sharpie one. I have seen too many fakes signed in blue sharpie, so i don't like that one.

Joe, i have no opinion on, i can't find my sample page i have.

[JoeyF]

the top one looks fake

[Scott Garner]

I agree with Joey and Jim. The top one signed in blue sharpie does not look real.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

the two Teddies you have are pretty different, so at least one is fake.

Be careful about that--it's not always true.
Here are five Gehrig signatures. They are all genuine.

[doug.goodman]

I have seen too many fakes signed in blue sharpie, so i don't like that one

While I understand the underlying sentiment, it seems to me that dismissing an autograph simply because of the ink color, is a bit harsh.

Granted that a Joe Jackson (as an example) in blue sharpie is impossible, but a Ted Williams is not.

Cobb was notorious for signing in green, but I'm sure that he signed some in other colors.

Glad that I don't collect autographs,
Doug

[Caseyatbat]

In my opinion, The top Ted Williams is no good. It is the most common Ted Williams forgery, most likely derived from the wave of bogus Score Board stuff. However, both the bottom Dimaggio and Williams HOF plaque postcards are both good.

[GrayGhost]

Concur. Top Ted looks hideous. rest fine.

[drc]

Is it fake? Or is it so real that it blows your mind? -- variation on a Kramer quote

[babmic57]

thanks everyone!! your info is very much appreicated!!!! i def have my doubts about the top one as well. it does have a COA though, from Global Authentics? not sure how reliable this is

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by babmic57

it does have a COA though, from Global Authentics?

Not taken seriously by most experienced collectors and many see it as a red flag in and of itself.

[thetruthisoutthere]

For your files. The below is a Ted Williams secretarial signature.

TedW-Mueller-Secy.jpg

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Caseyatbat

In my opinion, The top Ted Williams is no good. It is the most common Ted Williams forgery, most likely derived from the wave of bogus Score Board stuff. However, both the bottom Dimaggio and Williams HOF plaque postcards are both good.

Not sure if your thought is clearly expressed here Casey.
The real Scoreboard stuff was good.
The subterfuge that went on with claims of "this was from Scoreboard and has a Birdsick COA" that was a different story.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Not taken seriously by most experienced collectors and many see it as a red flag in and of itself.

+1

[RichardSimon]

I will post this picture again for reference.
This was signed in front of me in Florida at the baseball hobby store owned by Ted's agent, Vince Antonucci who later went to prison for defrauding Ted.
I spent an hour with Ted after he signed for me, just listening to him talk about baseball. The best hour I have ever spent in the hobby. I can still remember the stories he told.

[Caseyatbat]

Your are right Richard I did not clearly express. Yes I agree the original scoreboard stuff was all good as I know they hired the players directly to do the signings. It is the wave of the bogus stuff that followed that all had scoreboard certs is what I was referring too.

[vintagechris]

The Joe D. looks off to me as well as the first Williams