T206 doc crandall with a uzit back

[Batjac1]

Hi guys,

I will be dropping this card off at SGC to get graded soon, and wanted to get some additional feedback from "the experts" here at Net54.

As I now understand it, although it is a common card, it does have a Uzit back, but it's also previously unconfirmed and the only known combination of the Doc Crandall with a Uzit back, it is also only one of three T206 players known to exist that can be found with both a UZIT and a Red Hindu back.

I had posted the scans of this card in my initial thread when I joined Net54 last week, but they are buried in that thread so I have included them here. The cards were given to me in 1967 or 1968, and haven't been out of my possession since. There is no "monkey businees" with this card.

I am a novice collector. I am trying to understand the approximate value of this card, and I am having trouble doing that. There is no frame of reference that I have found for a card similar to this criteria. I have spoken to a well known personality in the hobby who gave me a great deal of information and the advise not to sell until I know what I have. (Thanks, Jim) I have received offers to buy it, but I'm not in a position to do that without understanding its rarity and possible value. When I do sell, it will be via auction.

I am hoping you guys may be able to offer some additional guidance and might be willing to venture a guess as to its approximate interest and some sort of minimum value. I have heard values anywhere from $600 to $30,000 and I am at a loss to understand the swing.

Your help and guidance would really be appreciated.

Regards to all,

Doug

[Mikehealer]

You are probably correct in selling via an auction as that will get you the market price for the card. That being said if someone offers you $30,000 for it, you might want to forgo the auction route.

[Leon]

I would give an auction estimate of 1k-2k ....but if you get an offer above 5k, sell it (imo).....

[Matthew H]

I'd auction the card, I enjoy the gamble.

If you are gettin a bunch of lower offers (1-2k) along with one offer above 5k, then maybe you should consider it. If you have more then one offer that high, then go the auction route for sure. Either way, don't do a private sale until you feel like you've had enough of the right people's attention. Posting it here is a good start... Not enough though. There are a few well heeled collectors going after a master set, IMO they will probably give you the most for it.

[Batjac1]

Thanks Matt- I appreciate the advise.

[Craig M]

I see that Craig's T206 White Border Master listed this card on the spreadsheet as (YELLOW) possible but not confirmed.

It shows that this card was almost certain to be floating around out there.

Craig

[Batjac1]

Thanks - FYI, I'm not looking to pay off my mortgage, I just don't want to get burned.

D.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Batjac1

Thanks - FYI, I'm not looking to pay off my mortgage, I just don't want to get burned.

D.

Well, I hadn't looked, but if the front back combo is that rare then I really might be low on the 5k.....certainly, auctioning it in an auction that is well publicized would show it's true market value. And that is what I would do, most likely, if selling it.

[Batjac1]

The scan above does not show the left border correctly. Here is a re-scan.

Looks like I cropped the one above too closely - the card has not been trimmed.

D.

[Craig M]

Doug,

Since you said that you will be submitting this card to get graded and then onto a auction house; you may want to pose a question to the board members what they think about soaking the card since it appears to have paper attached to the Uzit reverse.

Could it jump half a grade by soaking the extra paper off of the back? If not then best to leave alone.

Craig

[Batjac1]

Thanks Craig,

I've been told it would probably clean up well with a soak, but I am definitely not qualified to perform that operation. I will leave that to you experts once it sells. I would only screw it up for its future owner.

Doug

[cfc1909]

most Uzits are grade 3 and lower. Very rarely do you see one graded above 3.

Also most Uzits do not have a red Hindu partner. Very rarely do you see one that has a Hindu partner.

Most Uzits bring between 2 and 3k at auction. This Crandall Uzit will not grade high but I think it will go well past 3k and it should because of the 3 examples that have a red Hindu partner none have showed up twice. Each is a lone example.

This Crandall is special and only an auction will show its value.

[Craig M]

Personally I would leave it just as you found it...Craig

[Batjac1]

I am going with that plan, whatever it brings.

[deadballfreaK]

I'd have that taking a bath in 2 seconds.

[Texxxx]

Originally Posted by deadballfreaK

I'd have that taking a bath in 2 seconds.

I agree! But I understand him not doing it also. Never done it before and not really wanting to start with a card like that. My first one was a $20 card at best. I don't think I would have started with a expensive card as my first but I would throw a Wagner in now if I thought it would improve it.

[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

I agree! But I understand him not doing it also. Never done it before and not really wanting to start with a card like that. My first one was a $20 card at best. I don't think I would have started with a expensive card as my first but I would throw a Wagner in now if I thought it would improve it.

I've done it maybe 300 times. Most times it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Depends totally on the type of glue. Main thing is it doesn't hurt anything. It won't fall apart or anything. A little blotting and pressing and it will be a little cleaner even if the paper doesn't come off.

The appeal is the back. Doc Crandall is not the value. Get the paper off and have a nice, clean, rare UZIT back!

[Batjac1]

Thanks guys. I do get it.

I just don't have your confidence or experience.

I don't want to be the subject of a Net54 thread titled

"Inexperienced Guy Screws Up Only Known Crandall Uzit"

At some point in our lives we've all made something worse by trying to make it better...

Doug

[t206blogcom]

Dunk the card in hope of improving the back, especially since the back is the star.

[teetwoohsix]

Awesome card !!! I've never soaked a card either, so I'd feel the same hesitation about doing it if I owned it. But I know others do it and the final result can make a big difference when it's done right.

Hi Ken- I'm not sure how to quote a portion of a comment, so I copy and paste it- but this part here:

" The appeal is the back. Doc Crandall is not the value."

I hold a different opinion, only because I look for tough combinations and find it to be a fun way to collect. In this case, because it's now the only confirmed Crandall/Uzit, Crandall being on the front is just as important as the Uzit back. This card is desireable to me because of the combination, not just because it has a Uzit back.

That's just my take, there is no right or wrong way to collect. To each their own, but I agree with Jim that this card is very special.

Sincerely, Clayton

[ullmandds]

Unless some crazies go tete a tete over it...it should sell for 3-4K range. I also understand your reservations about soaking it...it probably doesn't really matter in regards to what it will sell for...but...it is a simple process...and you should not be afraid!!!!!

[Batjac1]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Unless some crazies go tete a tete over it...it should sell for 3-4K range. I also understand your reservations about soaking it...it probably doesn't really matter in regards to what it will sell for...but...it is a simple process...and you should not be afraid!!!!!

Hey Peter,

Thanks for the input.

Yep, call me chicken! I confess. Guilty as charged. There isn't much I am afraid of (except maybe the Mrs. from time to time.) but I am afraid to soak that card. If I had a real beater to practice on I would probably try it.

I have already received offers for the card in that range and slighty higher.

I am still going to school as I am only a week into this.

I am new to the big business side of base ball cards.

Prior to this my involvement was limited to flipping for cards in the schoolyard...

Regards,

Doug

[Craig M]

Doug,

You are definitely making the correct choice.

Leaving it as is and grading it will give the prospective new owner of the card an added perk to crack the card out of its holder, soak it and resubmit it to a different grading company.

Craig

[wolf441]

Hi Doug,

I think you are wise not too fool around with the card. You have a truly unique find. I don't think that the paper residue on the back will limit it's value at all. Experienced collectors will understand that they can do the work with the card themselves if they happen to be lucky enough to win it. If I was an expert in soaking (I'm not ) and wanted this card, I'd rather win it as is and then do the work myself than to take a chance on someone doing the work that's never done it before. Sort of like how they say never to do anything to the finish on an antique piece of furniture if you are not a professional.

In any case, best of luck with the sales, glad to have you on board the forum and hope to see more of your collection in the future!

Steve

[Batjac1]

Originally Posted by Craig M

Doug,

You are definitely making the correct choice.

Leaving it as is and grading it will give the prospective new owner of the card an added perk to crack the card out of its holder, soak it and resubmit it to a different grading company.

Craig

Thanks Craig,

I really appreciate your input. Everyone at Net54 has been great as I learn more and more every day.

Doug

[Batjac1]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Hi Doug,

I think you are wise not too fool around with the card. You have a truly unique find. I don't think that the paper residue on the back will limit it's value at all. Experienced collectors will understand that they can do the work with the card themselves if they happen to be lucky enough to win it. If I was an expert in soaking (I'm not ) and wanted this card, I'd rather win it as is and then do the work myself than to take a chance on someone doing the work that's never done it before. Sort of like how they say never to do anything to the finish on an antique piece of furniture if you are not a professional.

In any case, best of luck with the sales, glad to have you on board the forum and hope to see more of your collection in the future!

Steve

Thanks Steve,

I agree. I have worked on a few antiques over the years, and sometimes I wish I hadn't! All of you guys have been great. I appreciate all of the input and advise I have received so far. All of it.

I'll see about posting some more scans, but that Crandall/Uzit is a tough act to follow...

I was all revved up about having a Cobb, a Mathewson, a Johnson etc. only to find out old Doc was probably the best of the lot.

Go figure.

Regards,

Doug

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Hi Doug,

I think you are wise not too fool around with the card. You have a truly unique find. I don't think that the paper residue on the back will limit it's value at all. Experienced collectors will understand that they can do the work with the card themselves if they happen to be lucky enough to win it. If I was an expert in soaking (I'm not ) and wanted this card, I'd rather win it as is and then do the work myself than to take a chance on someone doing the work that's never done it before. Sort of like how they say never to do anything to the finish on an antique piece of furniture if you are not a professional.

In any case, best of luck with the sales, glad to have you on board the forum and hope to see more of your collection in the future!

Steve

+1 Steve-

Doug- If you are going to sell it, imo........It would be wise to Take this advice, get it slabbed (too high value not to) and auction it. Just the way it is. There is no need to do anything else. Your top 20 bidders are probably reading this message . They can do what they want with it if they win it. ....

After learning of it's rarity that seems like a smart thing to do. Good luck with whatever you do too.


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[Batjac1]

Leon,

I Agree. That is the plan.

Doug