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Posted By: Scott

As part of my growing vintage collection, I have been looking at what card(s) I would get for this famous Cubs infield trio--obviously the T202 gets all 3 in one card. I was wondering what other combinations of this threesome collectors have (either together--2 or 3 of them together on one card--or 3 separate cards not necessarily the same type that show nicely together).

As a Sox fan, it pains me to spend money on anything Cubbies but I guess an exception can be made for the old guys.

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Posted By: Griffin's

I've got them in Cracker Jacks, although they aren't Cubs by then. In fact, they are spread thru 3 different leagues.

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Posted By: Steve M.

the T206, especially the Portraits, show nicely together. To find all three on one card you have to be looking at the Hammon postcards to find them all as Cubs. The Grignons would be another nice grouping as they are all Cubs on those postcards as well.

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Edited to add blue tinker for Quan!

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Posted By: Scott M.

Not the prettiest but I kind of like them...







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Posted By: jackgoodman

the other famous double-play trio of O'Brien to Ryan to Goldberg???????

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Posted By: Jason

have to say that I am a fan!

Old Mill, I see, but, what is the ACC?
They are going on my wantlist
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S74 silks

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Posted By: JimB

I've always wondered if Tinker was a Flock of Seaguls fan.
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Posted By: Ben

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Posted By: quan

u should've shown the blue back e90-3 tinker! that's always been a cool pose to me, cartoonish tinker caught in an action pose like some arcade street fighter. since i haven't seen those 3 in plowboys together, i'd nominate the e90-3s as the coolest.

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Posted By: andy becker

keith....very cool silks, very cool.

jason, leon is correct....but those are s74-1. there is also an s74-2 (colored silks with no backing).

ben....also very cool red borders.

nice collections from all.

m101-2 is a less expensive was to piece together the trio.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Not Vintage But I always thought it was cool, Perez Steele Great Moments:


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Posted By: joe brennan

I read some where that 2 of them barely spoke to each other for many years because of a cab fare. Can someone elaborate on the story?

People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

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Posted By: Bill K

Joe,

You are correct. I'm not sure if it was 1903 or 1904 that it happened but the teams would go from the hotel to the stadium in horse drawn carriages and somehthing happened during one trip that soured the relationship between Evers and Tinker (I believe) for their entire careers.

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Posted By: rp60

It has been said that, at his worst, I presume? A wristwatch could not funcion on him..This dude had some serious vibes jumping off of him...
I always wondered why many feel they dont belong in the Hall. These guys prove that stats alone cant measure greatness.

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Posted By: T206Collector

"It has been said that, at his worst, I presume? A wristwatch could not funcion on him..This dude had some serious vibes jumping off of him..."

Which one of the three do you speak of?

"I always wondered why many feel they dont belong in the Hall. These guys prove that stats alone cant measure greatness."

Agreed that stats alone can't measure greatness, but by what measure do you call any of these players great?

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Posted By: robert a

Hey Scott M.,

What is on the right edge of the evers? I've seen the lines before, but is there a small portion of another player/pose there?

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Posted By: rp60

Evers had the watch problem..The impact that these guys had in there time and well after is the stuff all sports need. If nothing else thats 3 more HOFers in your T set.. Let it go...

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Well what a nice trio of red border cards...

If I was putting together 3 T-E-C cards I agree with the T206 portraits.

But the Colgan's red border cards, WOW!!! Thanks for showing them, Ben.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

IMO The Hall of Fame is just that. The Hall of FAME. I like the fact that these three guys are in there because they were immortalized in poetry.

Of course I think Roger Maris should be in the HoF also so what do I know?

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Posted By: Joe D.

Tinker Evers Chance all on one card

1906 Team Postcard




And since you are a sox fan...
here are the hitless wonders who beat those cubbies in the world series.

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

It was a great poem, but none of these guys belongs in the HOF.

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Posted By: T206Collector

"IMO The Hall of Fame is just that. The Hall of FAME. I like the fact that these three guys are in there because they were immortalized in poetry."

I also agree with this sentiment -- I respect their place in the HOF -- but I just won't go so far as to call them "great" because they had a timeless poem written about them.

Now I can "let it go."

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Posted By: Scott M.

Hi Robert,

Unfortunately, the Evers W555 card ends pretty much where the photo does.

I've seen several W555s, as you've mentioned, with the lines and extra large borders but have never seen any that might have a portion of another card showing.

If there are any images like that out there, I would certainly welcome to see them posted in another thread (or emailed to me) as it would give some much needed insight into the issue.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

You can get Evers and Chance together on the same T201 card:



The T201 is my favorite Evers, here's my favorite Tinker and Chance:



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EDIT: Not sure why they're so small - but you get the idea.

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Posted By: Bill K

Those lines could be a decorative design similar to what you can see on this Wiltse which is cut larger than most W555's.

They are not scratches or wear to the card, but part of the original box.



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Posted By: Bryan Long

w600 - great stuff!


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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

very nice trio of W600s!

 

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Posted By: Bryan Long

I just wanted to see them up there because I think they are the best ones out there if you want a trio of the guys.

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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

Its nice just to see them beside each other.

 

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Posted By: robert a

Interesting Bill.

I've never noticed those designs, but that adds to the case (in my opinion) that there was only one player on each box.

I'm hoping that a larger portion of a box will eventually be found, but I'm sure there was some kind of ad on the box that said "cut here" or something that prompted all of them to be cut immediately after purchase.

By the way, looks like tinker and evers are E98 poses and chance is E94.

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Posted By: quan

i haven't researched them much or look at them carefully because i always thought they were cut-outs of some box, but seeing them auctioned off the last few years i've seen all the e93 poses represented, and both of the e97 poses of irv "cy" young. i'm guessing you can probably find all the e97 subjects? not so sure about e94s and e98s....

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Posted By: robert a

Quan,

I can't remember exactly...I'd have to look at Lew's book, but I think all from the caramel family of e93, e98, e97, e94 are found on w555.

I just thought it was interesting that the e94 pose of chance was used and not the e98 pose. I don't think chance has a w555 pose of e93, e94, and e98 though.

W555s must've been part of an issue that was out there for at least of couple of years.

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don't forget Harry Steinfeldt

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Posted By: Anonymous

Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but I was bummed that I didn't have mine available to scan before. They were at my office. I've always liked them a lot, and use them as a paper weight on my desk at work.

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Posted By: Joann

Wow O'S. What a nice looking group. Never occurred to me to use a screwdown as a paperweight - good idea. Although mine would just get buried in the layers of papers within a week or two!

I wonder if it was intentional that they all be green background? Are there any other color patterns like this that emerge from this set - for teammates, or other links or similarities among players?

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Can somebody please post a decent T202 of the TEC combo? Here's a rather poor example:



Edited to add: Keith, that's pretty nice - all three silks with the backs!

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Posted By: Anonymous

Joanne, I don't know of any color patterns, for instance I have Cubs players in 4 colors plus variations of those 4 colors.

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Posted By: Bob

Nobody in their right mind can argue Johhny Evers doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Sorry to step on any toes, but to argue otherwise is just plain nuts.

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Posted By: MINE'S MINT

though i do enjoy the look of the t205 combination.. corresponding backgrounds giving a sense of uniformaty.. i believe the triple folder is a highly underrated card.. to my knowledge its the only card that displays all three players prominatly.. focusing only on the members of the double play combination.. unlike a chicago cubs pc which displays the entire team.. not to mention that in the card pictured above they are shown in thier famed order.. plus, with todays market encapsulating every hofer under the sun.. you can avoid the shuffle of 3 holders and stick to the one.. unless you go with o'seedys method and keep em raw in the same screwdown as i have in the past..



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Posted By: T206Collector

...uh, I just looked up his stats and they were mediocre, at least offensively. On what do you base the claim that to argue Evers is not a HOFer without the poem is pure silliness?

Put another way -- what makes Tinker, Evers or Chance HOFers without the poem?

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Posted By: Dave Rey

I'm going to agree that Johnny Evers is a qualified HOF member, but to say that anybody that disagrees is nuts is a stretch.

His qualifications put him near the bottom border of Hall of Famers. His offensive stats aren't going to look impressive, given the context of their compilation -- that being the dead ball era. He was above the league norm in pretty much every offensive category during his career, was an good defensive keystone sacker, was a good post-season performer for three Series winners and was the MVP in 1914.

His inclusion isn't a complete stretch like Joe Tinker's or a moderate stretch like Frank Chance's.

The poem, the MVP and his playing on the three dominant Cubs teams from 1906-08 are the factors that make him a HOFer when a nearly identically valuable contemporary player like Claude Ritchey isn't really considered -- or even remembered for that matter...

It wouldn't be unreasonable to argue that since several second basemen of equal or better overall value aren't in the Hall, Evers is trading on his fame from the poem and his good fortune of playing on those dominant Cubs teams.

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Compared to what they actually cost, I got them for much lower:


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