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To my eye the Caramel Gehrig was really white.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-U-S-Ca...p2047675.l2557 This natural beauty boasts an overall cleanliness not normally seen on the issue with virtually zero product toning present. Maybe. Why are we seeing all these super bright cards slabbed by S_C recently?
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I have not looked at the prices/checked the auction, but it sounds like I got some bad info that prices were soft (the Speaker sounds silly). That said, I watched True Romance (great movie - classic) with my wife last night and was not checking the phone every 3 minutes like I had done many times over in the past. And it was great! Yes, the therapy is working.
Between Heritage, REA, Memory Lane (sick auction coming up BTW), LOTG, Mile High, Brockelman, Sterling, Goldin, SCP, Baggers, etc etc., not to mention regular shows in Chantilly and Philly and maybe the national (or white plains), I have plenty of options and opportunities. So, for the foreseeable future, PWCC is not an option for me. And, for now, I will ignore their sales on VCP as comps. |
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so if someone bought this card thinking it was bleached (bought the card not the holder) and was very confidant that it was like you, are they a future victim if there is more evidence of it..
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im not following your "thought" process?
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If someone stated on net54, i bought that card, and i KNOW it was bleached but i bought it anyway, and 2 months later there is a photo of the card 3 grades lower that sold 2 months prior to the purchaser that bought the card
are they avictim even though they KNOW it was bleached/altered when they bought (and posted admission of such on net54) the card and now want to use the PSA guarantee or whatever its called or ask for money back for PWCC... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 07-15-2019 at 08:42 AM. |
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This is the third or fourth such card we've seen recently in an S_C holder that looked (to my eye) way too white. I don't know what's going on. A card that white, or as white as that Leaf Jackie was, should raise red flags.
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Sadly I think the reality is that some alterations are not detectable...atleast not with current techniques used by SGC/PSA/Beckett.
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How is it not detectable, you and I see it plain as day.
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I dunno how to answer that, Pete????? Borders on 85 year old cardboard just aren't that white in nature...only after treated not to mention the white speckles throughout the background.
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That issue is notorious for toning. Even Brent notes, without a trace of irony, how unusually white it is. LOL.
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Are you being paid not to see it?
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I see what you did there, no more G in SGC
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Peter - please cease from being so cynical. This card looks exactly what I'd imagine a card that was sitting in the bottom of a candy box many decades ago would look like. Pristine blinding white. Snow white. White as the rice I am enjoyng for lunch.
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A rule of thumb is to avoid Pre-War baseball cards you can read in the dark by.
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With trimming, one can compare to other cards or look for the telltale signs. Coloring is the same, tilt the card (if it's that easy?) A clean card that was put away between pgs or out of the light altogether since new, I am sure would still be fairly clean, no? Trust me, I'm as pissed as you are about this whole scandal and I am not trying to defend anyone here, but if the bleach and/or chemicals are not detectable how can a TPG reject the card based on them assuming the card is too clean looking?
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And why is it these cleaned cards all seem to be S_C?
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In Boston the state house has been pilfered several times and in one case, the state's charter was found at auction. In another case, Walter Johnson's Opening Day baseballs signed by presidents were stolen from the Hall and found in a Ron Oscer Auction. What could cut this in half is if the grading companies took more that 60 seconds to review their items. Grading companies are opinion makers based on what? We don't know who they are or if they have a background in document forensics to adequately determine if what they're handling hasn't been tampered with? They started adding brightening compounds to bleach in the mid 1950's and this I suspect could dissipate with time but brighteners added to paper stock in the 1940's doesn't. You could do a test and see how long it takes? As they say, work smarter, not harder for the things that you want. Card collecting is and should be fun but it also requires some research, and if you dont know something, ask questions -there's no such thing as a stupid question. We're all here for the same goals and to help. |
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They are purely "self-appointed" experts, and have no credentials to speak of (aside from what they claim, in order to garner the most profits). It's a scam that people have mindlessly bought into, hook, line and sinker. Realizing it is not purposeful to complain without proposing a potential solution... Perhaps someday there could be an independent agency that would certify Professional Graders after they pass enough seminars, courses or tests to qualify. They would subsequently earn a degree of sorts. An important aspect of this would be to ensure PSA has no involvement in the certification process. Their is ample evidence that they cannot be trusted, and that their intervention would taint the entire process. So the Certification Entity could not be the PSA School of Authentication (or Beckett or SGC, for that matter). Would it be profitable, or even a good business venture? Probably not. Would it benefit the hobby? Definitely Last edited by perezfan; 07-16-2019 at 12:41 PM. |
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