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There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.

The year is 2049. Arnold Hefflinger has just been elected into the shrine of baseball excellence in Cooperstown, New York. Arnold pitched for 12 years in Yankee stadium and was the premier three inning starter in the game during his tenure, despite undergoing 6 virtual Tommy John procedures that required him to spend up to ten days on the disabled list each time. Notably he was a modern day workhorse usually pitching with 2 days rest. He started over 50 games for the Bronx Bombers in all but three years of his pinstripe career. “Hoss” was the nickname given to him for by a baseball history junkie for reasons unknown and it stuck.

Hoss’s career record was a respectable 0-82 with an ERA of 0.89. It’s been more than a decade since a starting pitcher has pitched more than five innings in a game. No starting pitcher has actually won a game since 2036, when Nolan Ryan III recorded his last five inning start. Losing less than 10 games a year for a 50 game starter has become the benchmark of success for these hurlers.

Sabermetrics has evolved and created several new metrics for the modern three inning starter. The MNN (mini no-no), consisting of three no hit innings, is generally accepted as measure of success for this three inning specialists and Hoss has 117 MNNs in his twelve career and is the all-time leader in this category.

The modern Perfect Game was redefined in 2032 and consists of nine consecutive strike outs, a feat that Hoss accomplished on 13 occasions.

Arnold’s fastball has been clocked at 113 mph and his career average of whiffs per inning of 1.84 is generally considered unassailable.

Yes, the game has changed, with the advent of the three inning start by all major league teams, it has become necessary to increase the physical size of the bull pens to accommodate up to 15 relief pitchers for each game. Hitters have all become dead pull hitters, so that many teams utilize the “RP shift” where relief pitchers, or designated fielders if you will, are shifted from one side of the infield to the other depending on whether a right or left handed hitter is batting, minimizing their fielding deficiencies.

Managers who cannot walk to the mound 15 times a game for pitching cadges find their managerial careers shortened.

Hoss's plaque is Cooperstown will be placed next to that of Mariano Rivera in the Hall, both pioneers in their abstract way, compared to others in the hallowed Hall.

Baseball is a game of conquest, but the conquests are ever changing. The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout, but with a cut fastball or 110 mph heat. These are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and the thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own; for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to The Twilight Zone.
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Doesn’t seem too crazy a scenario to me, Frank!!!
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Frank, it's amazing but I was thinking the very same thing this morning. If teams decide to let their starters pitch every second or third day, but limit them to three innings max, even a great pitcher is likely to finish the year 0-15. In fact, such a pitcher could never win even a single game.

Imagine that pitcher and his agent sitting down with ownership to negotiate a long term contract, and being able to tout "my fine 0-73 won lost record over the past five years." That ought to get him that big payday he was looking for.

On the other hand, the guy who pitches second, say innings four to six, could easily win 25 games or more. The game wil be unrecognizable.

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It's a fun but silly hypothetical; if baseball really evolved to where nobody pitched past the third inning, the way wins are defined would change.
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Beautiful! The Tampa Bay franchise will be lauded as the most innovative of their time.

Jalen Beeks was a stud "second starter" this past year in TB (after being traded by Boston) when he would often come into the game in the 2nd or 3rd inning after the "closer" or "first starter" got through the top of the lineup in the 1st. He was 5-0 with Tampa Bay in August/September despite not starting a game. He got to face the weaker part of the opponent's lineup to start his game and then he was warmed up by the time he got to face the 1/2/3 hitters. How often do you see starters who give up 3-4 runs in the first inning before settling in? Also, how often do you see pitchers implode once they face a batter a "dreaded" third time through the order? The stats support this sort of strategy.

This sort of change will also completely alter the fantasy baseball landscape for years to come. It'll be interesting to see how many other teams adopt this sort of "bullpen day" approach.
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It's a fun but silly hypothetical; if baseball really evolved to where nobody pitched past the third inning, the way wins are defined would change.
Taking your silly hypothetical to the next level, when your win definition is instituted and Arnold Hefflinger ends up with 400+ three inning wins, are you really going to consider him the equal of Walter Johnson for Hall of Fame consideration?

Peter, that’s BS, even in the Twilight Zone.
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Taking your silly hypothetical to the next level, when your win definition is instituted and Arnold Hefflinger ends up with 400+ three inning wins, are you really going to consider him the equal of Walter Johnson for Hall of Fame consideration?

Peter, that’s BS, even in the Twilight Zone.
It's a moot question, you've already enshrined him. I wonder if the Hall will elect Pitching Committees, much the way the Rock Hall of Fame elects whole bands?
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Actually, since I have the ability to see the future, I will tell you what actually happens. What you have hypothesized was on the path to happening when several pitchers were injured when hit by line drives off the then new titanium bats. There was public outcry that the game had become too dangerous so, on June 18, 2041, the Rancho Cucamonga Dodgers (they left Los Angeles in 2027 due to the deadly air pollution levels) premiered the first robotic pitcher, Mr Zip. Mr Zip could pitch complete games every game. This eliminated pitcher injuries and paid for itself in saved salaries in less than a season. Within a year all teams had their own versions of Mr Zip (except the Mets-they were still under an austerity program caused by the hit that ownership had taken from the Madoff fraud). In 2058, the first robotic pitcher was inducted into the intergalactic HOF, Tin Cook, the much beloved hurler from the S F Apples (purchased by company in 2038 with name changed six years later). Not only was Tin the premier moundsman of his (or her) day, but he/she could concurrently pitch, photograph fans in the stand, and grill hot dogs. Those pictures were immediately available for purchase at special Apple fan booths around the stadium.

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As the older generation of fans dwindles, they will be replaced by people who do not look up even once during the game from their devices. They will know what's happening from Twitter feeds sent by the players themselves, as voice recognition technology and further miniaturization will enable players to tweet even as they hit and pitch and field. The fans will not speak with their friends they came with, or neighboring fans, as they will be too busy multitasking maintaining 15 text dialogues, constantly checking email and Facebook, monitoring 27 apps, and playing 6 interactive games. If the device owner goes more than ten seconds without touching the screen, an app will remotely check his or her health.

All teams will be owned by Fortune 500 companies and managed by either an officer or director of the company. Important strategic decisions will be made real time by instantaneous shareholder votes.
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But the older fan base will not dwindle. Crispr gene editing in 2025 cured all disease. A few years later science found a way to reverse cryogenic freezing of bodies. In 2042, a reconstituted Ted Williams led the AL in hitting with an .832 batting average.
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Let's not forget the Senior Fairness/Awareness Act of 2037. The new law stated that each ML club must have a person over 65 make at least 3 plate appearances in a 9 inning game.
Remember the jubilance of the "old jocks" as they dusted off their mitt and spikes and rushed to spring training parks in Arizona and Florida.
Opening day brought sadness and gloom to the "old timers'' as real pitchers proved to be tougher than batting cage machines. Soon cheers turned to boos. After the 1st month combined BAs for these guys was .007.
Coaches were replaced with therapists and the bull pen phone in the dugout was now a suicide hotline.
The law was repealed after Congress returned from their Summer/Autumn vacation.
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There was public outcry that the game had become too dangerous so, on June 18, 2041, the Rancho Cucamonga Dodgers (they left Los Angeles in 2027 due to the deadly air pollution levels)
The problem with this vision is that the weather here travels from west to east, carrying the smog with it. Then it runs into the San Gabriel's, and the smog gets stuck right around Mt.Baldy, Arrowhead, and Big Bear mountains. Settling in nicely right over Rancho Cucamonga.
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But the older fan base will not dwindle. Crispr gene editing in 2025 cured all disease. A few years later science found a way to reverse cryogenic freezing of bodies. In 2042, a reconstituted Ted Williams led the AL in hitting with an .832 batting average.
But he still finished behind Mike Trout in WAR, who exceeded infinity for the first time as the formula was tweaked to favor him for the 19th time.
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The problem with this vision is that the weather here travels from west to east, carrying the smog with it. Then it runs into the San Gabriel's, and the smog gets stuck right around Mt.Baldy, Arrowhead, and Big Bear mountains. Settling in nicely right over Rancho Cucamonga.
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Actually, since I have the ability to see the future, I will tell you what actually happens. What you have hypothesized was on the path to happening when several pitchers were injured when hit by line drives off the then new titanium bats. There was public outcry that the game had become too dangerous so, on June 18, 2041, the Rancho Cucamonga Dodgers (they left Los Angeles in 2027 due to the deadly air pollution levels) premiered the first robotic pitcher, Mr Zip. Mr Zip could pitch complete games every game. This eliminated pitcher injuries and paid for itself in saved salaries in less than a season. Within a year all teams had their own versions of Mr Zip (except the Mets-they were still under an austerity program caused by the hit that ownership had taken from the Madoff fraud). In 2058, the first robotic pitcher was inducted into the intergalactic HOF, Tin Cook, the much beloved hurler from the S F Apples (purchased by company in 2038 with name changed six years later). Not only was Tin the premier moundsman of his (or her) day, but he/she could concurrently pitch, photograph fans in the stand, and grill hot dogs. Those pictures were immediately available for purchase at special Apple fan booths around the stadium.

Tommy LaSorda, yes the Tommy LaSorda, is still active in personal injury law firm advertising. He’s smarter than he looks. He has recently purchased the parking lot at the stadium, yes there is one, in Rancho Cucamonga, the future home of big league Dodger Blue. Cucamongans are already donating to his future sect, a la Jim Jones and the People’s Temple Agricultural Project, calling themselves Tommy’s Cucamongan turkeys. And yes Tommy’s sect is already holding rallies in the aforementioned parking lot. By 2043 the congregation will have grown to over 500,000. On August 23rd there will be a rare simultaneous occurrence in the parking lot of breathtaking smog and gut wrenching dysentery caused by a deadly viral infestation of that day’s Dodger dogs. The parking lot will be used as a mass grave. The personal injury lawyers will cash in and Tommy, who became a partner in the firm in 2037, will walk away with billions.
Now you know the rest of the story.
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Meanwhile, to the delight of Packs, the veterans committee elected to the HOF Roger Maris, Elston Howard, Bobby Murcer, Willie Randolph, Ron Guidry, Thurman Munson, Don Mattingly, Andy Pettite, Jorge Posada, Gleyber Torres (who finished his career at .249), and 17 other former NY Yankees along with 354 other former big league stars. An aging Tori Hunter was thought by most to be the best player not yet elected to the Hall.
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As the older generation of fans dwindles, they will be replaced by people who do not look up even once during the game from their devices. They will know what's happening from Twitter feeds sent by the players themselves, as voice recognition technology and further miniaturization will enable players to tweet even as they hit and pitch and field. The fans will not speak with their friends they came with, or neighboring fans, as they will be too busy multitasking maintaining 15 text dialogues, constantly checking email and Facebook, monitoring 27 apps, and playing 6 interactive games. If the device owner goes more than ten seconds without touching the screen, an app will remotely check his or her health.

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But he still finished behind Mike Trout in WAR, who exceeded infinity for the first time as the formula was tweaked to favor him for the 19th time.
Nothing against Mr Trout because he is an amazing player. From the way I have seen WAR used to say how great he is I believe it has to have been tweeked that many times already to favor him.
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Nothing against Mr Trout because he is an amazing player. From the way I have seen WAR used to say how great he is I believe it has to have been tweeked that many times already to favor him.
I understand that an NFL officiating crew tweeks the WAR formula in their spare time.
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I understand that an NFL officiating crew tweeks the WAR formula in their spare time.
With a little help from the NBA refs and the boxing judges just to keep it on the up and up.
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Frank, You should write for ESPN or mlb.com.
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Tongue firmly in cheek.
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I would consider this a compliment if you clarify whose tongue and whose cheek.
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