New guy here...1952 Mantle...is it legit?

[Bestdj777]

No red flags when looking at it here, but I'm far from an expert and would need to see it in hand to judge. How does it smell? Old?

[techkiller]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

No red flags when looking at it here, but I'm far from an expert and would need to see it in hand to judge. How does it smell? Old?

Yes it does smell old....

[techkiller]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

No red flags when looking at it here, but I'm far from an expert and would need to see it in hand to judge. How does it smell? Old?

hey Chris....thanks for the feedback...what do you think it would grade out as? I was thinking probably 4-5?

[swarmee]

Is the front surface scuffed or only discolored? I would think 3-4 but with elite front centering. It looks authentic to me.

PSA will charge you the $800 if you value it at $20,000 raw whether it is fake or real. That's the authentication that you're paying them for, and they're paying the insurance that they're not wrong and in case of damage during the grading process.

I've got some 1952s I will send you and you can check them out. It's hard to fake glossiness, card stock, paper grain, and printing techniques.

[techkiller]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Is the front surface scuffed or only discolored? I would think 3-4 but with elite front centering. It looks authentic to me.

PSA will charge you the $800 if you value it at $20,000 raw whether it is fake or real. That's the authentication that you're paying them for, and they're paying the insurance that they're not wrong and in case of damage during the grading process.

I've got some 1952s I will send you and you can check them out. It's hard to fake glossiness, card stock, paper grain, and printing techniques.

It's just scuffed def not dis-colored

[nat]

I don't have any opinion about whether it's real or not

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Didn't think of that. Is general card-authentication procedure kosher to post?

[irv]

Originally Posted by techkiller

It's just scuffed def not dis-colored

John, don't be discouraged by the lack of feedback on what some think whether your card is fake or not.
More than a few come on here looking for info on cards but until they have proven to be legit members/collectors, most don't like to divulge info to them, which would only help them become better forgers/scammers.

This guy, although it is only my opinion, struck me as someone like that.
4 posts then never heard from again?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243499

[techkiller]

Originally Posted by irv

John, don't be discouraged by the lack of feedback on what some think whether your card is fake or not.
More than a few come on here looking for info on cards but until they have proven to be legit members/collectors, most don't like to divulge info to them, which would only help them become better forgers/scammers.

This guy, although it is only my opinion, struck me as someone like that.
4 posts then never heard from again?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243499

That makes sense....i have a full time job and better things to do than try and replicate baseball cards So...i've heard different things...Will PSA charge the same amount whether it's real or fake?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by techkiller

That makes sense....i have a full time job and better things to do than try and replicate baseball cards So...i've heard different things...Will PSA charge the same amount whether it's real or fake?

To be 100% sure what they do just go to the PSA website and get their contact info and contact them.

[ALR-bishop]

I have both versions of the Mantle. One was graded when I bought it, the other not. Before finalizing the purchase of the ungraded card I sent it to Levi Bleam at 707 Spotscards. I would actually trust his opinion over any grader at any service when it comes to 52 cards in general and Mantle specifically. Plus, despite his reputation for high prices, he is completely trustworthy and honest. He did not charge me for his review ( it turned out to be good), but I have been a long time customer. You can contact him through his 707 web site. Not sure if he would do a review for someone he did not have experience with.

Don"t know where you live but he does attend some shows. His schedule may be on his web site

[techkiller]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have both versions of the Mantle. One was graded when I bought it, the other not. Before finalizing the purchase of the ungraded card I sent it to Levi Bleam at 707 Spotscards. I would actually trust his opinion over any grader at any service when it comes to 52 cards in general and Mantle specifically. Plus, despite his reputation for high prices, he is completely trustworthy and honest. He did not charge me for his review ( it turned out to be good), but I have been a long time customer. You can contact him through his 707 web site. Not sure if he would do a review for someone he did not have experience with.

Don"t know where you live but he does attend some shows. His schedule may be on his web site

I live in michigan and THANKS for that info. Obviously i would need his opinion in person as I just wouldn't trust any personal entity to just ship it to.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by techkiller

hey Chris....thanks for the feedback...what do you think it would grade out as? I was thinking probably 4-5?

I couldn't even fathom a guess. Whenever I submit anything I think is a 3 or 4, I get "Authentic", so I clearly don't know the game at all . I think comparing it to some other 52s is a good next step. The centering isn't typical of a real card but still not seeing anything that jumps out as wrong--it's harder to detect fakes for me when the condition is better as the artificial wear on most of them really stands out.

[con40]

Just peeked at the photos and no way is this card real. The scanner did a good job to capture the pattern of ink rosettes used in 4C printing. Among thest I;ve ever seen.

But, the corners are obviously hand-scraped on sandpaper or a file to round them. You can tell because the paper is curling on the rounded corners. Sure sign it's artificial wear created very quickly. Real wear would result in those paper fibers slowly wearing away leaving a diminished thickness of the stock on the worn corners. Luckily there is no counterfeit substitute for card wear that occurs over time.

Total 100% fake.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by con40

Just peeked at the photos and no way is this card real. The scanner did a good job to capture the pattern of ink rosettes used in 4C printing. Among thest I;ve ever seen.

But, the corners are obviously hand-scraped on sandpaper or a file to round them. You can tell because the paper is curling on the rounded corners. Sure sign it's artificial wear created very quickly. Real wear would result in those paper fibers slowly wearing away leaving a diminished thickness of the stock on the worn corners. Luckily there is no counterfeit substitute for card wear that occurs over time.

Total 100% fake.

Sharp observations there about counterfeiting pitfalls, but unfortunately, there are apparently still plenty of the guys that P.T. Barnum referred to being born every minute.

[techkiller]

I didn't disappear guys.....i should be hearing back from PSA any day now...It's supposed to take 7 days after they receive it and I'm on day 10.....growing impatient.....i'm really hoping that the extra time may be because it's legit.

[NYYFan63]

Originally Posted by techkiller

I didn't disappear guys.....i should be hearing back from PSA any day now...It's supposed to take 7 days after they receive it and I'm on day 10.....growing impatient.....i'm really hoping that the extra time may be because it's legit.

Good luck techkiller. I think PSA is swamped right now. I have sent some cards valued <$500 to them. They received on 11/24, entered in their system on 12/5!!!! and still "in process".

[techkiller]

I called PSA and although they have not completed my submission yet (UGH!!!! Day 14 of estimated 7day) I was told the Mantle was found to be a counterfeit....even though it has the honeycomb printing....disappointing for sure but it was a $25 lottery ticket so i'm not that upset.

[techkiller]

Originally Posted by con40

Just peeked at the photos and no way is this card real. The scanner did a good job to capture the pattern of ink rosettes used in 4C printing. Among thest I;ve ever seen.

But, the corners are obviously hand-scraped on sandpaper or a file to round them. You can tell because the paper is curling on the rounded corners. Sure sign it's artificial wear created very quickly. Real wear would result in those paper fibers slowly wearing away leaving a diminished thickness of the stock on the worn corners. Luckily there is no counterfeit substitute for card wear that occurs over time.

Total 100% fake.

I can tell you that the paper was not curling....may appear in the pic even though i just looked at my pics and i don't see what you referring to. Not dismissing your opinion and i agree the corner rounding without much wear is suspicious but it's possible it's legit and it was just trimmed or modified...which would still make it a legit card.

[1952boyntoncollector]

well if the card ends up being 'psa legit' then all of the people posting that its 100% fake etc will be looking pretty bad..

[bnorth]

Now I could be wrong but it looks as real as a $3 bill to me. For the condition the front is way too white. The entire back looks like it was printed with an inkjet printer. Could just be bad fuzzy pictures, I don't know.

I do not know if PSA charges if a card is rejected but I really hope they do. Otherwise why not send in as many fake cards as possible with no recourse.

[irv]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Now I could be wrong but it looks as real as a $3 bill to me. For the condition the front is way too white. The entire back looks like it was printed with an inkjet printer. Could just be bad fuzzy pictures, I don't know.

I do not know if PSA charges if a card is rejected but I really hope they do. Otherwise why not send in as many fake cards as possible with no recourse.

I didn't offer my opinion but I thought the same thing, Ben. Something just looks off to me without actually being able to place my finger on it?