Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[joshuanip]

I got lucky, went through my past sales. Seem most of the cards I bought came from auction houses and private collectors. Only card I bought from PWCC last 3 years was a T213-3 coupon Mathewson, which thankfully wasnt on the list.

Still not out of the woods....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

I got lucky, went through my past sales. Seem most of the cards I bought came from auction houses and private collectors. Only card I bought from PWCC last 3 years was a T213-3 coupon Mathewson, which thankfully wasnt on the list.

Still not out of the woods....

Oh God no none of us are. This list is the tip of a very big berg.

[swarmee]

Yes, this is only from one guy out of the 10 card alterers exposed by Blowout so far.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yes, this is only from one guy out of the 10 card alterers exposed by Blowout so far.

And they don't know about the major vintage ones.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And they don't know about the major vintage ones.

Do you want me to point them in the right direction? I don't either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Do you want me to point them in the right direction? I don't either.

I know them. At the right time, I will, but they will be impossible to trace IMO. All AH for the most part.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And they don't know about the major vintage ones.

Do you want me to point them in the right direction? I don't either.
Edit: except the raw Ebay sellers like battleship and great lakes, if that's who you're talking about. And Vegas Dave for market manipulation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Do you want me to point them in the right direction? I don't either.
Edit: except the raw Ebay sellers like battleship and great lakes, if that's who you're talking about. And Vegas Dave for market manipulation.

Nope. Vintage card doctors, of long and honorable duration.

[RiceBondsMntna2Young]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh God no none of us are. This list is the tip of a very big berg.

I’m waiting for a credible company to emerge so I can have them reevaluate my biggest cards. The most important call I relied on from PSA was whether my card was the same one that came out of a pack or box.

I can assess grade largely on my own. Scanning at 1600DPI, you can see incredible detail along the edges. 10x magnification may be sufficient to rush out a numerical grade, but I’m pretty upset these companies didn’t even try to look closer to evaluate authenticity.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by RiceBondsMntna2Young

I’m waiting for a credible company to emerge so I can have them reevaluate my biggest cards.

It would be a massive undertaking as well as the need for huge hobby support to launch a new company. From day one you will have people trying to ding your credibility so being transparent is a must. At some point an altered card of some sort will seep through and the minuscule error will cost you reputation points you cant afford to lose as a new business. You also have to worry about staffing and detailed training, greedy staff, and insider fraud. If that is not enough both PSA and SGC have very good attorneys, deep assets/vested interest in the hobby, and great legal teams. Even if you are right 100% and have ample evidence against them you still lost because you would be broke before you got notice of a hearing. PSA and SGC both have their skeletons but that is the options the hobby is stuck with because that is what it wants. Educate yourself about the cards you are buying and stop giving your money away to people you don feel are credible.