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Old 02-27-2018, 04:14 PM
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Got it! Where do I send the money?
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I'll play along, are we talking about the jackie robinson contract?
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They estimate 4 million on it.
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I'll guess 52T Mantle PSA9 but should have been posted on the pre-war side.
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is that a line of drool across the card?
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I’d crack it open and see if I could get a Gem Mint 10.
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Is this actually real? I only ask cause I would have expected Heritage to have put that card up on their website immediately (same with the bat below it) and could not find the listing. I only see 4 1952 Topps mantles (PSA 6, PSA 5.5, SGC 60, and PSA Authentic).
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Alright, show of hands. Who wants a $4 million complete T206 set, and who wants a $4 million dollar double-printed short-printed (?) Topps card from the 1950s?
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I've got to agree with Glenn. If that card comes anywhere close to its estimate, then somebody is a complete fool. When you think of all the cards you could buy for 4 Million, including the Wagner, the Baltimore Ruth, the M-101-5 Ruth, a few Just So's, etc., etc., etc. Basically, for that money, you could have one of the nicest collections in the world rather than just one card.

And aren't there supposed to be four PSA10 Mantles out there? What are they worth? 10 million each?
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I've got to agree with Glenn. If that card comes anywhere close to its estimate, then somebody is a complete fool. When you think of all the cards you could buy for 4 Million, including the Wagner, the Baltimore Ruth, the M-101-5 Ruth, a few Just So's, etc., etc., etc. Basically, for that money, you could have one of the nicest collections in the world rather than just one card.

And aren't there supposed to be four PSA10 Mantles out there? What are they worth? 10 million each?
False dichotomy. Whoever has 4 mil to spend on this Mantle probably has another 4 mill to buy those others too.
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I wonder who consigned. As I recall one guy owns 4 of the 6 9s.
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And aren't there supposed to be four PSA10 Mantles out there? What are they worth? 10 million each?
3-10s and 8-9s with 2 of the 9s having qualifiers.
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Alright, show of hands. Who wants a $4 million complete T206 set, and who wants a $4 million dollar double-printed short-printed (?) Topps card from the 1950s?
How about a $4M house on a lake/river with pasture and a barn?
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Same thing can be said about a T206 Wagner or a Baltimore News Ruth....
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False dichotomy. Whoever has 4 mil to spend on this Mantle probably has another 4 mill to buy those others too.
They probably have another $40 million to spend if they so choose, but I can think of much better ways to dispose of even the 4 in this hobby.

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Yep, I got the same brochure in the mail...since an 8.5 sold a little over a year ago for $1.135M, I think this 9 goes for around $3M (who knows, maybe more). Quite stunning.

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Dunno... things like this don’t excite me in the least . The card in the slab could just as easily be an eight. And if it were we probably would not be talking about it . No one’s excited about the card just the flip.
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How about a $4M house on a lake/river with pasture and a barn?
This was pretty much the decision that was made when I consigned it.
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This was pretty much the decision that was made when I consigned it.
Hot damn!!! Good decision!
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No one’s excited about the card just the flip.
Anyone who has seen this card in person would be excited about it. It's a true 9 and is the best centered of the 6 in existence. I don't buy flips, I buy cards.
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I agree this 9 is perfectly centered. No other 9 is as centered. Beautiful card!

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Yep, I got the same brochure in the mail...since an 8.5 sold a little over a year ago for $1.135M, I think this 9 goes for around $3M (who knows, maybe more). Quite stunning.
yes but that was the peak of the 2016 madness wasn't it? This may sell for the same price.
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yes but that was the peak of the 2016 madness wasn't it? This may sell for the same price.
I'll take the over.
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Good luck! I hope you get that property and have enough extra cash to buy a Ferrari to store in the barn.

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If it truly is your consignment, then best of luck with the auction.

But I don't see the price jumping $2.8M for a half point. I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong and you make out great, but I doubt it.


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If it truly is your consignment, then best of luck with the auction.

But I don't see the price jumping $2.8M for a half point. I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong and you make out great, but I doubt it.


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Evan, I hope this card crushes the estimate.
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Funny about all the doubters... many of us know this card and it is definitely the nicest centered Mantle 9 out there and Evans! I’m sure I’ll give the bidding a poke! Good Luck Evan!
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Funny about all the doubters... many of us know this card and it is definitely the nicest centered Mantle 9 out there and Evans! I’m sure I’ll give the bidding a poke! Good Luck Evan!
Exactly. I've seen the card, and it merits the grade. It is one of the very few best in the world in my opinion, considering one of the tens is pretty severely tilted. As such I am excited about the card, not the flip.

I also agree it is funny to see the peanut gallery of '52 Mantle haters saying what other cards they'd rather have for the money, and how only a "fool" would buy this card. Go spend your money however you want, without taking bilious potshots at a fellow collector's preference. Let the next man spend his own money on whatever card makes him happy. If the popularity and status of the Mantle card bothers you, no one is forcing anyone to buy one.

And as was rightly said above, whoever has the money for this card (in any grade, for that matter) can certainly buy other cards he desires.

It's a gorgeous piece, Evan, and I wish you the best with the sale. I'm sure the new owner will be very happy with their purchase.

* That bat pictured below it is no slouch, either!

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I've got to agree with Glenn. If that card comes anywhere close to its estimate, then somebody is a complete fool. When you think of all the cards you could buy for 4 Million, including the Wagner, the Baltimore Ruth, the M-101-5 Ruth, a few Just So's, etc., etc., etc. Basically, for that money, you could have one of the nicest collections in the world rather than just one card.

And aren't there supposed to be four PSA10 Mantles out there? What are they worth? 10 million each?
There are 6 psa 9s and 3 10s that I'm aware of. 9s have already changed hands at over 3m. 4m is a reasonable estimate, and as the first one that's appeared publicly that I've seen since I've been collecting I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit 5 or more. And yes, I'd expect a psa 10 to hit 10m.
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Seeing A LOT of folks on here trying to buy/guesstimate with their own pockets. Rule #1 of sales is don't sell out of your own pocket. I've got a funny feeling this thing will go at or above what Heritage thinks it will.
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If it truly is your consignment, then best of luck with the auction.

But I don't see the price jumping $2.8M for a half point. I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong and you make out great, but I doubt it.


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He had it at the national. I saw it and spoke with Evan briefly about it. An awesome looking card. Prepare to be surprised if you don't see the value in this card. The last 8.5 that was auctioned wasn't even centered. This card would sell at a considerable premium to even an off centered 9.
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I have a feeling there's deep pockets that have been waiting for one of the 10's, and are tired of waiting. I wouldn't be shocked to see this break 5.
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Anyone recall what the last 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 10 sold for? And when?

I don't recall one being sold for quite some time.
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Does PSA keep a record of who grades/authenticates these high dollar cards and what scientific methods they use to supply their "expert" opinion on its originality? Do they even know the history behind a $4+million dollar card to help determine if its real or a forgery before putting it in a slab? I would think that with a day turnaround this would be impossible.
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i hope it sells for $5 million if for no other reason than then my favorite BST seller can quote that sale when he is trying to sell his PSA 6(OC).
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who could that be????
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My only concern is that if I make a run for the PSA 9 Mantle it might slow me down on my low-mid grade T205 set. Choices choices..... At 5 mil the sales tax will be close to Jeff's Ty Cobb back.

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I don't recall one being sold for quite some time.
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Gem Mint 10. There have been three 1952 Topps Mantle's graded Gem Mint 10 by PSA:

Fogel-Murphy Specimen. The card came from the fabulous 1952 Topps collection of Mark Murphy. It was then sold by dealer Bill Hughes to Collectors Universe CEO David Hall for $50,000 in 1993. When Hall's collection was auctioned by Superior in 1996, renowned collector Marshall Fogel purchased the card for $121,000.

Wormser-Candiotti Specimen. This specimen was from Ed Wormser's wonderful collection. Sold in the Wormser sale by Robert Edward Auctions in 1996. Resold by Superior in 1998 to former major league pitcher, Tom Candiotti, for $104,500.

Roehrig-Garcia Specimen. First sent in to PSA for grading by dealer Craig Roehrig. Sold to Peter Garcia in 1999 for $160,000. Resold by Superior to an anonymous collector in June, 2001 for $275,000.
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I believe it goes north of 3. I know they have sold privately for that number (3 million) so I would not be shocked at all if this one goes for 4. They don't come around all that often and cards like this are not a dime a dozen. Though many may yawn at it on here it is easily one of the two most recognizable cards in the hobby, even to the casual fan. It has enough demand, especially elite condition specimens, to garner a jaw dropping number. Shocking that Dr. Pete has nothing nice to say about a PSA card. You have obviously never seen this card in person if you only think someone is impressed by the damn flip. Some of us understand and value condition, these Rosen find high numbers are beautiful cards that many of us do find awesome despite your constant carping.

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