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Old 12-31-2017, 03:21 PM
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Default Auction oddities: Using the PSA Auction Results site

Figured this would be a neat thread to start, now that PSA has released their VCP competitor that is free to use (at least currently). Figured we could post some pricing oddities spotted while we search this to see cards that are hot, sell for way too little, or whatever. I have already marked about 50 entries as errors because they linked the wrong Cert# to the auction so the card showing is not the card they think it is.

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice.../values/182634
1961 Topps #26 Wes Stock. Two auction sales of PSA 9s for around $30 in the spring, then an auction and BIN for $300 at end of 2017.

Edit: Also, I figure I'll spot check these on a volunteer basis to make the tool more useful just like I do for COMC. I'll start by reporting all errors I find in 1961 Topps (randomly selected it and started). Anyone want to take a different year?
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Old 12-31-2017, 03:45 PM
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1961 Topps #48 AL Pitching Leaders in PSA 9:
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/182660#g=9

DATE	PRICE	GRADE	LOT #	AUCTION HOUSE	AUCTION / SELLER	TYPE	CERT
9/12/2016 $82.22 9 142105897940 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 26028087
1/16/2017 $41.25 9 381923596230 eBay savingforthewedding071517 Auction 24563974
7/9/2017 $181.40 9 362026757184 eBay probstein123 Auction 27494150
11/6/2017 $22.00 9 382267742078 eBay probstein123 Auction 27827852
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Old 12-31-2017, 07:43 PM
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1961 Topps #154 Bobby Del Greco PSA 8: precipitous fall in value over a year, and a couple days.

DATE	PRICE	GRADE	LOT #	AUCTION HOUSE	AUCTION / SELLER	TYPE	CERT
9/22/2016 $154.00 8 311696846566 eBay gregmorriscards Auction 40047474
11/21/2016 $89.76 8 351903120366 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 24049629
5/1/2017 $89.79 8 352035695122 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 12407770
5/4/2017 $26.89 8 382061250079 eBay probstein123 Auction 06596169


This one is pretty crazy: #170 Al Smith PSA 8
DATE	PRICE	GRADE	LOT #	AUCTION HOUSE	AUCTION / SELLER	TYPE	CERT
9/22/2016 $141.50 8 131937400559 eBay gregmorriscards Auction 11269444
11/20/2016 $89.88 8 381848301480 eBay just_collect Auction 11577913
11/21/2016 $282.00 8 142176823860 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 50060813
5/1/2017 $28.89 8 401311694395 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 12415269
7/17/2017 $79.77 8 372008949130 eBay probstein123 Auction 23179427
10/23/2017 $147.50 8 372103139291 eBay pristine_paper Auction 20042985
10/24/2017 $84.99 8 202085892637 eBay cooperstownsportscards Auction 22527516
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The problem with raw data is this.

There are 8's and there are 8's. Centering is SO SO Important (IMO) that it makes a big difference. Also anold 8 could be submitted for a bump.

This is not that uncommon for it to happen.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:53 AM
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It's not just raw data; you can see pictures of 90% of the cards by going to the link. Centering did not seem to be a big deal (wide variance) on the cards I'm pointing out. I realize that not every 9 is a strong 9. But when a 9 varies from $30-300 over the course of a year, that is a BIG swing.
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Old 01-01-2018, 07:12 PM
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1961 Topps #350 Ernie Banks PSA 9: There are 49 no qualifier PSA 9s in the current Pop Report, out of approx 2000 submitted. Of those, 21 unique certs are in the database as having sold. Only two have sold twice. I am sure there are many more validated sales in VCP, since they have a longer eBay auction history.

One five months apart by PWCC both times (consignor lost $100), and one 7 years apart by Mile High (consignor made $50, which probably translates to a loss due to BP).

In the span of one month in 2007, this card lost $1220, or two thirds of its value. It went from $1826 w/BP in Goodwin to $609 w/BP in Memory Lane.
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Default Problem with eBay auctions.

So here's an example that I can attest to. A guy had two Koufax cards listed I was interested in. A 62 and 66. I made an offer for the two cards. He agreed and lowered one of the cards to meet the pricing we agreed to. However eBay was doing 10% bucks on a min purchase of $50. Anyways I ended up paying the agreed upon amount for the two cards on just the 66 listing. So now that 66 Koufax is overstated by a good $35. Not sure why eBay doesn't just do min purchase by seller. I personally like to keep the price history of the auctions. But why would I settle for $0.78 bucks versus $7.80.
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:59 PM
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If you know which card it is, you can report it to them as a sale of multiple cards and they will remove it.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:45 AM
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If you know which card it is, you can report it to them as a sale of multiple cards and they will remove it.
I'll do that. Cards are set to arrive today. Once I receive and confirm everything I'll contact them.

Thanks Steve
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:47 PM
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Thanks for the thread. I've done a little looking around and have seen some differences when comparing recent results between the PSA and VCP databases. One example is 1966 Topps Mantle. PSA's auction prices show two recent sales of $130 & $145 on PSA 4's. VCP doesn't show either of those sales. Both were on Ebay in the month of December. On the flip side, PSA missed a $112 sale also in December.

So I ask, how good can VCP be if it is missing sales, regardless of whether they are high or low? I also know that while VCP indicates in their FAQ that their database is updated almost immediately, I have seen sometimes a few weeks before a card I sold appears.

If these are software programs tied to ebay, how can their be such variances?

Lastly, I also noted a much higher price on another card (I don't remember which one it was) on PSA's new page and noticed it was a 7 rather than a 4 or 5. So if you see something that looks out of the norm, be sure to click and actually view the original ebay listing with pictures.
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