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Old 02-06-2018, 11:48 AM
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Default 1953 Topps Mantle 8.5

Card looks nice but with GAI known for have graded trimmed cards, does anyone see any evidence of trimming? Would this maybe crossover to a PSA 7?

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Old 02-06-2018, 12:16 PM
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I don’t like the bottom, in my opinion it could be trimmed. I could be wrong. But wouldn’t roll the dice.

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Old 02-06-2018, 12:18 PM
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There aren't any obvious signs of this card having been altered from the picture, although it does looks a bit short at the top. However, it's not like you would be getting the card at a discount from what you could buy it for in a PSA 7 if that's your goal. The most expensive 1953 Topps Mantle in PSA 7 that sold recently was this example from REA, where it went for $16,800 in December 2017. If I was going to pay that much, I would want it to already be in a PSA 7 holder.
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Old 02-06-2018, 01:10 PM
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This card is in a GAI holder because it's hiding something (trimming, recoloring, alteration) because if someone could get this in a PSA holder, it would be in a PSA holder. Thousands of dollars at stake here. Better to have bidders guessing, than have them bid on a raw card which we all assume means it's not gradeable (especially at this elite level).
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If I was going to take a chance on a card like this I'd want to pick it up for about the price of a psa 6. I would probably pass though.
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Old 02-07-2018, 12:39 AM
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Does it make any difference that the GAI label is an old label and not a newer one?

If I remember correctly, when GAI began, some of the PSA graders went to GAI. Will this give the card credibility?
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My guess is the card is legit. That is an older GAI label so I'm sure Mike Baker graded that card and IMHO, Baker would have spotted any alterations. My guess is PSA won't cross it because of the holder. Only way to know is to bust it out and resub it. Will it grade a 8.5? Maybe not, but I'd be highly surprised if it didn't at least get a numerical grade. Obviously the owner doesn't want to crack it out and gamble. Can't say I blame them, but agian, I'd be surprised if Baker missed a trim or alteration on a card of this magnitude.
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Looking at the backside, the bottom edge has some uneven or deckle edge cut to it which is common. The top edge has a straight cut to it which may indicate trimming but without seeing the card in person it's only a guess.

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There is a reason it's not in another TPG holder. People with those kinds of cards aren't stupid.
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There is a reason it's not in another TPG holder. People with those kinds of cards aren't stupid.
But if it was graded years ago and most notable collectors know that GAI was once good, why would the seller spend all that money getting it regraded?

I suppose, if he knew with it being in a PSA or SGC slab would cover the cost of the grading it would be a no brainer, but at the same time, maybe he doesn't want to go through the hassle?

Just a guess, another way to look at, and that is coming from me, a far less knowledgeable collector than you or most on here.
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