Another Probstein LOL

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

21 posts. Awesome.

You should look it up then or try to figure it out.

It's pretty easy to figure out if you just look.

Kevin

Unlike you I already know how to do it. It was more of a zinger against you. In fact I will do it now. Have a nice life of denial hoodface.

[thehoodedcoder]

Ok. Keep on posting on these threads guy.

It fits you well.

Kevin

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Ok. Keep on posting on these threads guy.

It fits you well.

Kevin

The more you post on Net 54 the less time is spent on your initiatives to ferret out fraud, you moron.

[tschock]

For some reason these threads keep reminding me of the quote.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post your opinions online and remove all doubt."

- @be L!nc0ln

Always looking to buy: President cards (to complete my set of 16)
NOT looking to buy: Mid-19th century N-type stage actors cards.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by tschock

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post your opinions online and remove all doubt."

- @be L!nc0ln

.

Never knew Lincoln was such an avid online poster…learn something new every day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bidder in a current Rick auction with 33 retractions.

Bid History: Details


Bidding Details

Bidder Information
Bidder: u***l ( 8171Feedback score is 5,000 to 9,999)
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1954 Red Heart Mickey Mantle HOF New York Yankees PSA 8 NM-MT " HIGH END"
Bids on this item: 10
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1547
Items bid on: 450
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 26% Help
Bid retractions: 1
Bid retractions (6 months): 33

[nsaddict]

Peter, not to outdo you but check out the bidder that retracted? (The infamous Pank was the winner).

http://tinyurl.com/m3a753z

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nsaddict

Peter, not to outdo you but check out the bidder that retracted? (The infamous Pank was the winner).

http://tinyurl.com/m3a753z

15 current, 122 total. Obviously a bidder who has not learned how to type.

[calvindog]

Rick says this happens in everyone's auctions.

[Iron Horse]

It happens in everyone's auctions that aren't real, or honest.
I don't bother bidding on any item/s anymore on ebay if there are bidder/s with bid retractions.

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by atx840

what exactly have you done to help clean up the hobby?

I know this was not directed at me, but I am working on at least getting Rick suspended from ebay if not also arrested. He ripped off the wrong person. All routes I will use to get him banned and/or arrested are legal means of doing it. He will end up the Bill Mastro of ebay if I have anything to do with it.

Originally Posted by calvindog

Rick says this happens in everyone's auctions.

I wonder if Problemstein actually has a sinister cartoon laugh when he types something like that. I can see it. "This happens in everyone's auctions. Everyone's indeed. HA HA HA HA HA HA,"

[atx840]

If it's not shilling then what's wrong with these people?

Total bids:378
Bid retractions (6 months): 87

[ctownboy]

I have been a seller on eBay, off and on, since 1999. I have over 2500 feed back and during all of this time, I have probably had 10 (or fewer) bid retractions in my auctions.

If someone bids and then retracts their bid in my auction more than twice, I am going to ban them. I don't need the headache.

Also, I have NEVER shilled ANY of my auctions. Not only is that greedy but also illegal and against eBay rules. I price items where I am comfortable with selling them. If they don't sell, too bad for me. I am NOT going to play the game of "start something with a low opening bid and then shill some sucker to the price I actually want to achieve.".

David

[wonkaticket]

Agree.

I have retracted a bid twice in all my years on eBay both were mistake bids i.e. entering 1000 instead of 100 etc. of those retractions I immediately reentered the correct bid.

Can’t see why anyone would have dozens upon dozens of retracted bids unless up to no good.

[npa589]

Originally Posted by atx840

If it's not shilling then what's wrong with these people?

Total bids:378
Bid retractions (6 months): 87

The only logical explanation, Chris, is fat fingers.

[slidekellyslide]

I sell hundreds of items per week on ebay...I don't get as many retractions as Probstein...probably only about 1/100th the amount he gets, but I believe some of these people with huge numbers of retractions are trying to see the high bid of the current high bidder...they bid up to it and then retract hoping to snipe it at the end. I don't watch my auctions 24/7 so sometimes I will see after an item has ended that someone has retracted a bid, and that same person won the auction.

[drcy]

There can be honest reasons for placing a majority of bids with one seller and for retracting bids. As Adrian showed us, some people are more OCD than others.

When I was an active bidder, there were always a few sellers who I regularly checked on to see what the had-- because they always had good stuff and I trusted them. I'm sure a large percentage of my bids were with them.

I don't recall ever retracting a bid once. In fact, I don't know that I even knew I could retract. I may have assumed you couldn't do that.

My one good story is years back when Mastro had weekly auctions and you typed in your bids, I accidentally typed in $15,000 instead of $1,1500 with about ten minutes left. I didn't know what to do-- I wasn't planning on paying $15,000, but my bid wasn't raised so there was no issue.

I've never shilled, I've never ended an auction when there was one or more bids, but have ended early auctions where there were no bids. I felt it was always my right to end an auction where no one had placed the minimum bid.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by drcy

There can be honest reasons for placing a majority of bids with one seller and for retracting bids. As Adrian showed us, some people are more OCD than others.

OCD is a legitimate reason, but no honest reason I can think of for a seller not blocking such bidders from their auctions. I too have accidentally added an extra '0' to a bid, but I don't recall ever retracting one, even for a legitimate mistake.

Some hobbyists can live in their own skin with what others would consider to be huge integrity problems. Those same people are amazed when the rest of us consider them to be lacking in integrity. Tough luck - they can't blame us for trying to help maintain a higher level of integrity in our hobby through threads like this. The idea that we basically have to keep our mouth shut unless we can prove guilt in a court of law, is absurd.

Ebay has found a loophole where they think they can legally allow cheating by manipulating their rules, thus increasing their profits. For now it's working, but it's wrong, and our best recourse is this forum...public exposure.

[ullmandds]

It's not everyday that I agree w/Scott F...but I totally...agree with his last post!!!!

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Runscott

and our best recourse is this forum...public exposure.

You just summed it all up for me in one sentence.

It is not yours, mine or our only recourse.

The problem is that everyone on these threads whole heartedly believes it is.

Kevin

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

It's not everyday that I agree w/Scott F...but I totally...agree with his last post!!!!

Thanks for admitting that - I have quoted you, just in case I need to use it in my internet discussion forum resume.

[drcy]

When I see news stories about unethical Enron-types who will do anything to further pad their 8 figure bank accounts, I say "There are worse things than being poor."

I believe most people are honest and fair and have no desire to cheat or trick others out of money. I believe that for most people who find on the sidewalk a wallet with fifty bucks in it, they will try and return it whole to the owner.

I also find most teenagers these days to be polite.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I sell hundreds of items per week on ebay...I don't get as many retractions as Probstein...probably only about 1/100th the amount he gets, but I believe some of these people with huge numbers of retractions are trying to see the high bid of the current high bidder...they bid up to it and then retract hoping to snipe it at the end. I don't watch my auctions 24/7 so sometimes I will see after an item has ended that someone has retracted a bid, and that same person won the auction.

I don't sell hundreds of items per week, but yes, I've said it before. Many are now using retractions as a bid strategy to scare off other bidders.

Last guy who retracted a bid from one of my auctions, had a lot of retractions, so I blocked him. Got a message from him a day later, "I don't understand, I tried to bid and it said I'm blocked".

I told him it made me look like I was shilling the auction when he did that. He responded with apologies and told me he had no idea that's how it looked to others. I have a feeling he knew exactly how it looked.

I can't control how others behave on the rest of Ebay, and I'm not going to weed out everybody who is putting in retracting bids in other places, but I can somewhat control how bidders are behaving in MY auctions.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

You just summed it all up for me in one sentence.

It is not yours, mine or our only recourse.

The problem is that everyone on these threads whole heartedly believes it is.

Kevin

This is clearly the dumbest guy on Net 54 -- and that says a lot. He shows up a month ago and has convinced himself that the only things being done to stop fraud in the hobby are what exists on this board. He reads nothing, knows nothing, makes no effort to learn about anything -- and does all that he can to stop any discourse about fraud here -- so that he can work in private on some insane 'initiatives' that we all know are the figments of his imagination.

[HRBAKER]

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This is clearly the dumbest guy on Net 54 -- and that says a lot. He shows up a month ago and has convinced himself that the only things being done to stop fraud in the hobby are what exists on this board. He reads nothing, knows nothing, makes no effort to learn about anything -- and does all that he can to stop any discourse about fraud here -- so that he can work in private on some insane 'initiatives' that we all know are the figments of his imagination.

Damn Jeff does this mean I lost my title? I thought I was the dumbest…guess I’m going to have to up my game these are tough times some serious competition.

[calvindog]

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[wonkaticket]

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I don't sell hundreds of items per week, but yes, I've said it before. Many are now using retractions as a bid strategy to scare off other bidders.

Last guy who retracted a bid from one of my auctions, had a lot of retractions, so I blocked him. Got a message from him a day later, "I don't understand, I tried to bid and it said I'm blocked".

I told him it made me look like I was shilling the auction when he did that. He responded with apologies and told me he had no idea that's how it looked to others. I have a feeling he knew exactly how it looked.

I can't control how others behave on the rest of Ebay, and I'm not going to weed out everybody who is putting in retracting bids in other places, but I can somewhat control how bidders are behaving in MY auctions.

I was bidding on a Dewalt rotary hammer for some work I needed to do on my house, so I started bidding on one. Suddenly this zero feedback, less than a month old account outbids me. I outbid before I looked at the bidding history. Both times the outbidding was almost immediately after mine i.e. less than a minute. I went and bid a third time and it happened to be the limit. I was testing to see if it was a shill, and at the same time that was the most I was going to pay, which was under what they were normally selling, so I said what the hell, let's see what happens. If I win, I get it at the level I was going to go anyway and will buy it. I get outbid a 3rd time by that same account. I left it at that. About 30 minutes after the auction ended, surprise, surprise, the seller emails me saying the buyer changed his mind and left me a second chance offer at my highest bid. The winner was that zero feedback bidder. Normally I say to someone that sends me a second chance offer, "why should I have to pay my highest bid, when if that guy who didn't pay hadn't bid, I would have won at a lower price?" I looked at this zero bidder and he had about 50 bids and 100% of them with this seller. I told the seller to run that shill scam with someone stupid enough to fall for it. He never responded. Does his not responding to an incriminating accusation sound familiar? Hint, we have been talking about someone similar that ignores incriminating questions. Shill bidding and lowlife sellers don't only exist in sports collectible auctions unfortunately. They are everywhere.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There was probably shill bidding in the Agora.

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There was probably shill bidding in the Agora.

I could see someone from Crete shill bidding someone from Athens because the Athenian kept winning everything.

[judsonhamlin]

Carthage shillenda est!

[vintagechris]

Is there a way for sellers to see how many times bidders have retracted bids in their auctions?

Also, do get an email from ebay when someone retracts a bid?

[HRBAKER]

Veni, vidi, schillichi!

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by vintagechris

Is there a way for sellers to see how many times bidders have retracted bids in their auctions?

Also, do get an email from ebay when someone retracts a bid?

The retracting bidder, the other bidders and the seller all get an email from ebay that a bid was retracted.

The sellers would get an email for each retraction that bidder had, and it would show the retractions in the bid history.

[HRBAKER]

Of course some sellers are far too busy to have time to pay much attention to such e-mails.

[ullmandds]

maybe some sellers could train someone in their migrant worker army to take note of such activity?

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

maybe some sellers could train someone in their migrant worker army to take note of such activity?

That would require them hiring Americans that speak English. That would also require them paying them a decent wage, so no.

[RGold]

Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur

[HRBAKER]

Not the entire world.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Petronius was probably shilled in the Forum.

[ullmandds]

Maybe at a david blaine special!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Not the entire world.

Certainly the registry dudes.

[Acollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Petronius was probably shilled in the Forum.

Julius probably shilled Brutus for the Coliseum naming rights. Zues (woops, I mean Jupiter, Zeus was the Greek parallel set of Gods) won the auction though I think.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by acollector

julius probably shilled brutus for the coliseum naming rights. Zues won the auction though i think.

delete

[ullmandds]

what r u trying to say Kevin? WTF? 1?

[Republicaninmass]

He's shilling the thread

[thehoodedcoder]

now that rick commented and those comments were appended, everyone got their resolve.

...the thread goes quiet. issue is over with.

just like the rest of them.

kevin

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

now that rick commented and those comments were appended, everyone got their resolve.

...the thread goes quiet. issue is over with.

just like the rest of them.

kevin

Every month more auction house principals are being indicted, convicted, sentenced to jail or receiving grand jury subpoenas in fraud investigations -- and yet one sole idiot seemingly misses all of this as he is busy, hunkered down, working hard on his double secret initiatives.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Every month more auction house principals are being indicted, convicted, sentenced to jail or receiving grand jury subpoenas in fraud investigations -- and yet one sole idiot seemingly misses all of this as he is busy, hunkered down, working hard on his double secret initiatives.

Shhh Jeff you're going to blow his cover...besides he only has so much "dick" to go around to offer everyone this evening.